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Re: North Korea – teenagers executed for distributing South Korean movies

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Post by kasey_junk »

imwillofficial wrote: post #128
kasey_junk wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point isn’t that it’s an unbiased news source. The point is you don’t have to make up some shadowy CIA/State Dept. story about it. It’s right there in the public mission of the governmental agency that actually runs the RFA. You can see the budget, strategy directives etc. The RFA is unapologetically an arm of the US government. Judge it for what it is without dramatizing it.

Well this is awkward… “One of the C.I.A.'s first major ventures was broadcasting, Although long suspected, it was reported definitively only a few years ago that until 1971 the agency supported both Radio Free Europe, which continues, with private financing, to broadcast to the nations of Eastern Europe, and Radio Liberty, which is beamed at the Soviet Union itself. The C.I.A.'s participation in those operations was…

Correct, RFE was originally a CIA operation. Though VOA was a WW2 operation by the war office and precedes it. The blowback created by the CIAs involvement and other CIA reforms in the 70s caused those operations to be moved into their own organizations.

They were consolidated in the 90s and reorged a few years ago. Again, this is literally on their website!

So when you say they are “literally” a front for the state department you are wrong. I suspect you know that, given it’s public ally documented, so the only reason to say it is to cast aspersions on them as sources rather than evaluating the information provided.

Say they are US governmental propaganda! That’s absolutely true. Just don’t add drama as if they aren’t completely open about this.

Re: North Korea – teenagers executed for distributing South Korean movies

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Post by thiagoharry »

throwaway122122 wrote: post #22

>source: Radio Free Asia, Liberty Times Every time. And as usual, only unnamed sources. Other great hits include: - Every citizen must use the same haircut as Kim Jong-un - NK government announced that they found a "unicorn" - NK official was executed for bad posture - Kim Jong-un's uncle was eaten alive by starving dogs - Kim Jong-un labels DOG MEAT a 'superfood' - North Korea tells parents to give kids patriotic na…

This also show some double standards and bias in social networks. Twitter, Facebook, and several others always mark Chinese media as "news financed (or controlled) by the Chinese government", and the same is true for any media financed entirely or in part by governments not aligned with the west. But what about Radio Free Asia? It is a source of propaganda financed by US government. It is not a credible source, it always publish accusations with no proofs against countries seen as enemies. However, no social media ever put the label "this media is financed/controlled entirely or in part by the US government" in Radio Free Asia accounts.

Re: North Korea – teenagers executed for distributing South Korean movies

#133

Post by imwillofficial »

kasey_junk wrote: post #131
imwillofficial wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well this is awkward… “One of the C.I.A.'s first major ventures was broadcasting, Although long suspected, it was reported definitively only a few years ago that until 1971 the agency supported both Radio Free Europe, which continues, with private financing, to broadcast to the nations of Eastern Europe, and Radio Liberty, which is beamed at the Soviet Union itself. The C.I.A.'s participation in those operations was…

Correct, RFE was originally a CIA operation. Though VOA was a WW2 operation by the war office and precedes it. The blowback created by the CIAs involvement and other CIA reforms in the 70s caused those operations to be moved into their own organizations. They were consolidated in the 90s and reorged a few years ago. Again, this is literally on their website! So when you say they are “literally” a front for the state…

What drama? I pointed out that they are State/CIA fronts for propaganda, and that would be taken into account when reading the news.

This isn't drama, it's context.

As for this line "So when you say they are “literally” a front for the state department you are wrong."

Their connections to State/CIA is well documented. This is hardly drama, it's context that would be helpful for people to know when judging information presented. This is basic critical thinking 101 stuff.

I feel like you are arguing that we should ignore the history, years of deception, and trust their website.. Why?

Re: North Korea – teenagers executed for distributing South Korean movies

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Post by gammalost »

41tor wrote: post #58
gammalost wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is that Radio Free Asia isn't a trustworthy source.

Source?

One classic example is this

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/...

And the fact that it's US sponsored media targeted against an ideological enemy

Re: North Korea – teenagers executed for distributing South Korean movies

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Post by largepeepee »

osigurdson wrote: post #130
largepeepee wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go spread your thinly veiled propaganda elsewhere. Even the mods notice how blatantly bullshit the post was and flagged it.

What is my thinly veiled propaganda? I think NK sucks (not the people but the government naturally).

When you start protecting lies, you don't deserve any respect.

Just because no one likes the regime doesn't mean you go around attacking people for pointing out falsehoods about it.

It will only make it harder for people to find the truth and help others inside it.

Re: North Korea – teenagers executed for distributing South Korean movies

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Post by smcl »

imwillofficial wrote: post #133
kasey_junk wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct, RFE was originally a CIA operation. Though VOA was a WW2 operation by the war office and precedes it. The blowback created by the CIAs involvement and other CIA reforms in the 70s caused those operations to be moved into their own organizations. They were consolidated in the 90s and reorged a few years ago. Again, this is literally on their website! So when you say they are “literally” a front for the state…

What drama? I pointed out that they are State/CIA fronts for propaganda, and that would be taken into account when reading the news. This isn't drama, it's context. As for this line "So when you say they are “literally” a front for the state department you are wrong." Their connections to State/CIA is well documented. This is hardly drama, it's context that would be helpful for people to know when judging information…

There's no drama, but people like the simple explanations of the world. USA: good, North Korea: bad. USA propaganda: justified, special, exceptional. non-US propaganda: suspect, biased, evil. So being confronted with the idea that they're simply a little bit blinkered (not totally brainwashed, just a little ignorant) and that history and current events involves more complexity and nuance causes some people a bit of discomfort.

Re: North Korea – teenagers executed for distributing South Korean movies

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Post by iJohnDoe »

A lot of these comments are really disgusting. Kudos to the few trying to call then out.

There have been many firsthand accounts of those that have escaped North Korea and shared what it’s like to live there. Concentration camps, starving, torture, chemical warfare experiments on prisoners, famine.

A firsthand account from a female that escaped from North Korea shared that the North Korea government will shutdown the power grid without notice and then raid homes looking for DVDs stuck in players (because no power to eject) and will kill those people responsible.

Those that escape North Korea across the river to China are caught and put into sex trafficking. China is complicit in supporting the horrible treatment of the North Korean people.

At least one source.

https://darknetdiaries.com/transcript/71/

Re: North Korea – teenagers executed for distributing South Korean movies

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Post by kasey_junk »

imwillofficial wrote: post #133
kasey_junk wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct, RFE was originally a CIA operation. Though VOA was a WW2 operation by the war office and precedes it. The blowback created by the CIAs involvement and other CIA reforms in the 70s caused those operations to be moved into their own organizations. They were consolidated in the 90s and reorged a few years ago. Again, this is literally on their website! So when you say they are “literally” a front for the state…

What drama? I pointed out that they are State/CIA fronts for propaganda, and that would be taken into account when reading the news. This isn't drama, it's context. As for this line "So when you say they are “literally” a front for the state department you are wrong." Their connections to State/CIA is well documented. This is hardly drama, it's context that would be helpful for people to know when judging information…

You said they are “literally” a front for the state department and that’s just not accurate. Even your own coverage points out that they were once connected to the CIA but that relationship had been severed long ago (when RFA was shuttered in the 50s, the new one is a 90s era creation) and there aren’t claims about the state department.

The State department is not the CIA, like the usagm the CIA is an independent agency of the US government, not part of the State department.

I’m just looking for you to be accurate. A statement like “RFA was a CIA backed operation at one time and it still is a US propaganda outlet” would be fine. Instead, your now edited reply to me said I “didn’t know what I was talking about” when I pointed out your inaccuracy.

Re: North Korea – teenagers executed for distributing South Korean movies

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Post by [deleted] »

kasey_junk wrote: post #138
imwillofficial wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What drama? I pointed out that they are State/CIA fronts for propaganda, and that would be taken into account when reading the news. This isn't drama, it's context. As for this line "So when you say they are “literally” a front for the state department you are wrong." Their connections to State/CIA is well documented. This is hardly drama, it's context that would be helpful for people to know when judging information…

You said they are “literally” a front for the state department and that’s just not accurate. Even your own coverage points out that they were once connected to the CIA but that relationship had been severed long ago (when RFA was shuttered in the 50s, the new one is a 90s era creation) and there aren’t claims about the state department. The State department is not the CIA, like the usagm the CIA is an independent age…

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Re: North Korea – teenagers executed for distributing South Korean movies

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Post by imwillofficial »

kasey_junk wrote: post #138
imwillofficial wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What drama? I pointed out that they are State/CIA fronts for propaganda, and that would be taken into account when reading the news. This isn't drama, it's context. As for this line "So when you say they are “literally” a front for the state department you are wrong." Their connections to State/CIA is well documented. This is hardly drama, it's context that would be helpful for people to know when judging information…

You said they are “literally” a front for the state department and that’s just not accurate. Even your own coverage points out that they were once connected to the CIA but that relationship had been severed long ago (when RFA was shuttered in the 50s, the new one is a 90s era creation) and there aren’t claims about the state department. The State department is not the CIA, like the usagm the CIA is an independent age…

I can't say more, NDAs and all that.

I encourage you to read up on the topic of interactions between the DoS and the Intel Community. Fascinating reading.

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