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It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by TrispusAttucks »

pjc50 wrote: post #103
xd wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a parent I have no idea what you are trying to say with this idea of pushing "heteronormativity" - I don't and don't know any parents that push anything sexual let alone encouraging kids to explore sexuality .. they are kids and will be kids until they mature and begin to feel the urge to explore. This normalising of sexualising of children is abhorrent. Edit: the voting on this comment is crazy.. the number of HN…

You've not noticed the pink for girls/blue for boys distinction?

The colors used to be switched in the 1800s. Pink for boys and blue for girls.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by ReactiveJelly »

johnnymorgan wrote: post #74
ccity88 wrote: post #33

What's interesting to me is that if we're able to accept the idea that mass social media-induced illness can be developed just by virtue of video watching TikTok or YouTube, then this opens new doors to examining the behaviour of other illnesses such as gender dysphoria that are statistically over represented. This is probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, because nobody wants to confront the idea that we can _…

High performance people have been saying this for generations. Surround yourself with positive, talented people to keep your mind clean. Hell even vogue and trash mags call out 'energy vampires' (lol) but it's all the same thing. I legit decided to not listen to gangster rap in the 90s because a dude said to me 'that shit will warp your mind ' but I realized all music and influences do that. So books it was...god I w…

Amen. In 2011 I watched a really good anime, Puella Magi Madoka Magica, and it helped me realize I'm transgender, and now that I've transitioned I love my body and myself more.

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Post by amarant »

rendall wrote: post #101
api wrote: post #65

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This brings to mind one of my rules about conservative panics: If laws against witchcraft are removed and/or witchcraft is destigmatized and then all the sudden there appears to be an explosion of witches, the explanation is probably not that hordes of people are adopting witchcraft. I'll leave it to the reader to guess the simplest and most likely explanation.

> one of my rules about conservative panic... Rule implies that it applies to past conservative moral panics. Is there a past moral panic in which lots of formerly suppressed identities suddenly expressed themselves once the moral panic was over?

A bit of an obscure example, but: Capoeira was forbidden in Brazil for a very long time, mostly because of a moral panic(for brevity I'll leave the complexities of this situation out of this comment), then when it was legalised, and the stigma around it began to disappear, it quickly became very popular, both in Brazil and internationally!

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by bigbillheck »

rendall wrote: post #101
api wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This brings to mind one of my rules about conservative panics: If laws against witchcraft are removed and/or witchcraft is destigmatized and then all the sudden there appears to be an explosion of witches, the explanation is probably not that hordes of people are adopting witchcraft. I'll leave it to the reader to guess the simplest and most likely explanation.

> one of my rules about conservative panic... Rule implies that it applies to past conservative moral panics. Is there a past moral panic in which lots of formerly suppressed identities suddenly expressed themselves once the moral panic was over?

Left-handed people.

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Post by em-bee »

xd wrote: post #85
bognition wrote: post #54

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Counter hypothesis. For the last several decades society put massive pressure on kids to conform to heteronormativity. With these pressures lessening more and more people are feeling empowered to explore their sexuality. Social media is absolutely involved, but we really don't know what the base rate would be in a society devoid of this kind of pressure.

As a parent I have no idea what you are trying to say with this idea of pushing "heteronormativity" - I don't and don't know any parents that push anything sexual let alone encouraging kids to explore sexuality .. they are kids and will be kids until they mature and begin to feel the urge to explore. This normalising of sexualising of children is abhorrent. Edit: the voting on this comment is crazy.. the number of HN…

it's not the parents, it's everyone around us. i can buy gender neutral toys, clothing and encourage the children to explore everything and not just gender conform activities as much as i want.

but when almost every other friend, relative, other kindergarten/school parents teachers push their own ideas of what is appropriate for girls or boys, my influence ends up being rather small.

i can't push my own ideas here. i can only encourage and protect the diverse interests that my kids develop on their own.

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Post by Closi »

Macha wrote: post #105
xd wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a parent I have no idea what you are trying to say with this idea of pushing "heteronormativity" - I don't and don't know any parents that push anything sexual let alone encouraging kids to explore sexuality .. they are kids and will be kids until they mature and begin to feel the urge to explore. This normalising of sexualising of children is abhorrent. Edit: the voting on this comment is crazy.. the number of HN…

The assumption that this is inherently sex related is where the issue starts. This is why the discussion shifted from talking about sexuality to talking about gender nearly 20 years ago. Ideas like boys cannot wear skirts or play with barbies are present from a young age, yet we don't accuse people opposed to boys with skirts/barbies of thinking about said boys future sexuality.

> The assumption that this is inherently sex related is where the issue starts. This is why the discussion shifted from talking about sexuality to talking about gender nearly 20 years ago.

Well it was the parent comment that was linking this to sexuality - Hetronormativity is inherently about sexuality (i.e. Hetro-Normativity - Hetro -> Heterosexual: of, pertaining to, or being a heterosexual person).

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Post by leephillips »

ccity88 wrote: post #33

What's interesting to me is that if we're able to accept the idea that mass social media-induced illness can be developed just by virtue of video watching TikTok or YouTube, then this opens new doors to examining the behaviour of other illnesses such as gender dysphoria that are statistically over represented. This is probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, because nobody wants to confront the idea that we can _…

“nobody wants to confront the idea that we can _learn_ to want to be another gender.”

It’s impossible to have the idea that you want to be another “gender” unless you have learned to want it. The ideas of “gender” and that you can switch yours have to come from somewhere; you have to learn them. Just as: you can’t want to be a doctor unless you’ve learned that there is such a thing as a doctor and that it’s something you can be.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by bognition »

xd wrote: post #85
bognition wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counter hypothesis. For the last several decades society put massive pressure on kids to conform to heteronormativity. With these pressures lessening more and more people are feeling empowered to explore their sexuality. Social media is absolutely involved, but we really don't know what the base rate would be in a society devoid of this kind of pressure.

As a parent I have no idea what you are trying to say with this idea of pushing "heteronormativity" - I don't and don't know any parents that push anything sexual let alone encouraging kids to explore sexuality .. they are kids and will be kids until they mature and begin to feel the urge to explore. This normalising of sexualising of children is abhorrent. Edit: the voting on this comment is crazy.. the number of HN…

I get it that this stuff is confusing and can be hard to make sense of at first, but gender identity and sexuality are completely different things.

Also I'm not accusing anyone of pushing this on their kids, rather, our society does it in massive doses. Watch most children's TV shows or movies and heteronormativity is abundant.

For a pretty clean example of this check out the movie Up by Pixar. The first 10 minutes of the movie are devoted to Carl & Ellie's relationship and the loss of that relationship serves as a major driver for the movie.

Also there's nothing wrong with showing children this kind of content. It helps them make sense of the world. However, there is an issue with representation. When it's all they see then it constrains their minds as to what is possible.

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Post by api »

bigbillheck wrote: post #134
rendall wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> one of my rules about conservative panic... Rule implies that it applies to past conservative moral panics. Is there a past moral panic in which lots of formerly suppressed identities suddenly expressed themselves once the moral panic was over?

Left-handed people.

I bring this one up every time someone brings up Chesterton's Fence arguments about stuff like this.

Why was left handedness considered taboo and evil? Do we need to figure out a legitimate reason for this before we can remove the fence? Could there possibly be a legitimate reason for something that clearly absurd?

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