> would have been enough to alarm Zuckerberg’s minions
If you're not going to write the article seriously, I'm not going to the article read seriously.
The great Covid and smoking cover-up?
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#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can find tons of examples very easily. The last link is a video of Fauci saying masks won't help and aren't worth it. At the time, if you said people should wear masks, you were 'spreading misinformation'. https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_e58c20c6-8... "While Fauci, along with several other US health leaders, initially advised people not to wear masks, Fauci later said that he was concerned that th…
Absolutely NONE of your sources quotes anyone claiming that N95 masks don't protect against disease. In several cases, (early on) the statement was made that "drugstore" (surgical) masks won't protect the wearer, and only those with symptoms were recommended to wear them. That changed when research showed asymptomatic people were spreading COVID-19, then it was suggested that EVERYONE wear a (cloth or surgical) mask,…
A claim that 'masks' don't protect generally does imply N95 masks don't protect specifically.
Did you not see the last video? Why are you trying to amend history to suit your political views here? Fauci repeatedly discouraged mask use because he said people would infect themselves by touching their faces to adjust the mask. He said this over and over, and that applies to N95 as much as any other mask.
Frankly due to the amount of intentional suppression of these videos it's hard to find them. You would think there would be plenty of documentation of all the news around covid, especially the early days, but lots of tv appearances have fallen down the memory hole.
It doesn't not matter, yes it was hard to buy an N95 mask at the time, but many, many people have N100 or P100 masks for work. As a hobby I spray paint sometimes, so I have multiple P100 masks, which far exceed anything necessary to prevent infection. The truth is people should have been encouraged to wear masks, and educated on which masks are effective and which were not. Fauci was wrong about masks early on, and as usual for him he lied about it later (hilariously that he lied is his official story, he lied to protect mask supplies, so he would rather you think he lied previously rather than was incompetent) to try to avoid looking like he made a mistake.
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#133Isn't this a classic example of collider bias?
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
The actual reason is probably unrelated to the act of smoking. Smokers are different than the general population in a number of ways - Smokers are addicted to an appetite suppressant and are skinnier than the general population. Since obesity is linked to poor covid outcomes that could play a role. - I'd guess that smokers are younger on average since, grimly, they don't make it into old age as often (or they quit).…
Isn't this not actually what the user you are responding to was saying? Smokers have worse outcomes, but they seem to get it less. All of your points address better outcomes, with the exception of the outdoors bit.
Smokers who took nicotine during recovery, recovered quicker.
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#135I clicked on the first study in the linked blog post. Here is what it says: >We found that active smoking was associated with lower odds of having a positive test result. There are several plausible reasons for this result. Active smoking might affect nasopharyngeal viral load and therefore affect RT-PCR test sensitivity, rather than protecting against actual infection, although this effect is not known to occur with…
No ethics board in the world will approve an RCT of cigarettes for Covid, so you're asking for an unobtainable standard of evidence here.
Nicotine patches or inhalers would be an option? Assuming it is the nicotine and not a different chemical.
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#136This thread will surely devolve into a general repository for COVID contrarian angst, but the broader point in this article is an interesting one. I would summarize it by saying there's an asymmetry in evidence demanded for a claim based on whether or not it agrees with the conclusion obtained by reasoning from first principles. The author seems to be saying that rigorous, peer-reviewed, observational studies should…
Ignore the data and what we are seeing and move back into a more basic incorrect model we feel safe in? The world isn't flat even though it maybe politically incorrect to tell the church this. The downsides here are political.
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the most likely outcome is for a certain subset of the population to think “I don’t need to get vaccinated, I smoke cigarettes.”
And they would have been right.
No they wouldn't. Smoking gives a little protection against infection, but once you have it it's likely much worse. Vaccines give you a little protection against infection and also reduce the probability of severe courses of illness.
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#138This thread will surely devolve into a general repository for COVID contrarian angst, but the broader point in this article is an interesting one. I would summarize it by saying there's an asymmetry in evidence demanded for a claim based on whether or not it agrees with the conclusion obtained by reasoning from first principles. The author seems to be saying that rigorous, peer-reviewed, observational studies should…
The data is the data. If the data that agrees with you is "good data", and the data that disagrees with you "needs to reach a higher standard", that is how inaccurate beliefs get entrenched.
That's just Bayesian reasoning.
If you told me that you saw the sun rise in the east this morning, I'd probably believe you.
If you told me that you saw the sun rise in the north this morning, I'd probably not believe you.
In both cases, "the data is the data," and all I have is your report. However, given a strong prior probability based on personal experience and first-principles reasoning, in the second case above I'm still more likely to think you mistaken than the conventional cosmological model wrong.
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#139Does anyone else find this baffling as an avenue of exploration to begin with? The health impacts of a 30 year old healthy male smoking tobacco massively outweigh what coronavirus would do to them in 99.9 percent of cases, likely higher. It feels a bit like saying you could reduce your chance of toe cancer by amputating your toe. Theoretically sure, if you're already in a wheelchair, why not, no toes required. But th…
covid infections per year vs x cigarettes per year? Clear as mud.
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#140Wondering also the chances you get induced social distancing for smelling like smoke.