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Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by scarface74 »

happymellon wrote: post #130
scarface74 wrote: post #120

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So in a meeting, is this person who is presenting going to copy everything they need from their desktop? If it’s a group meeting will no one else have their computers with them?

1. I don't think you understand what a thin client is. 2. I have found that face-to-face meetings where other people bring their laptops usually means that they get distracted and don't participate.

You’re right, I am new to this whole cloud stuff, it’s not like I actually work for the largest cloud provider in the world in the consulting department where it’s my job to know this (hint: I do).

It’s also not like I wrote my first line of code in 1986 (Hint guess what the 74 in my name signifies).

Now that hopefully we can dispense with the idea that I don’t know how this computer stuff works. Please answer the question. How do I get everything I need from my computer to this thin client? How do I keep my environment in sync with this thin client?

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by sbarre »

scarface74 wrote: post #131
happymellon wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. I don't think you understand what a thin client is. 2. I have found that face-to-face meetings where other people bring their laptops usually means that they get distracted and don't participate.

You’re right, I am new to this whole cloud stuff, it’s not like I actually work for the largest cloud provider in the world in the consulting department where it’s my job to know this (hint: I do). It’s also not like I wrote my first line of code in 1986 (Hint guess what the 74 in my name signifies). Now that hopefully we can dispense with the idea that I don’t know how this computer stuff works. Please answer the qu…

My friend, you are being trolled.. Your responders keep moving the goal posts on you.

You should just walk away.

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by mbesto »

fxtentacle wrote: post #127
mbesto wrote: post #88

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> which is the case both for Shopify and here - automatically disqualifies you from being GDPR-compliant: It doesn't automatically disqualify you. No reason to spread this FUD. From your article: > The Chamber found that, contrary to what Company A stated in their offer, it did disclose customer data to a third party. More specifically, it disclosed customer data to a third party in a third country (its parent compan…

That "disclose customer data to a third party" violates article 44 of the GDPR if there's no matching exemption to allow it. One possible exemption would be if the recipient is also bound by the GDPR. But obviously, the US government is not bound by GDPR. So anything that would allow the US CLOUD act to access a EU customer's data is a GDPR violation.

"So anything that would allow the US CLOUD act to access a EU customer's data is a GDPR violation"

Which is essentially the argument and is a huge legal grey area right now.

Similar situation here:

The EU’s data protection supervisor (EDPS), which oversees the bloc’s own institutions’ GDPR compliance, has been looking into the European Commission’s use of Microsoft Office 365 since May last year — as well as probing EU bodies’ use of Amazon’s cloud services.

The European Data Protection Board (EDPB) also kicked off a related coordinated enforcement action in February that it said would focus on the public sector’s use of cloud services — which it said would take about a year to report, with the aim for the action to harmonize regulatory interventions in this area.[0]

As you can see, nothing has happened yet and this is all still evolving. It seems pretty clear that the EU is using GDPR as a political wedge to drive business back to their countries (despite company's in those countries clearly having a desire to continue to use those products and services). Again, it's not as black and white as you are making it out to be - it's still be fought.

[0] - https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/28/microsoft-365-faces-darken...

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by mathewvp »

estebank wrote: post #116
andrewstuart wrote: post #96

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I managed to build it without really grasping Rust by hacking around and looking at examples of how other stuff worked that I wanted to do, and by avoiding doing things in Rust that I didn't understand - stuff as basic as function calls. The resulting code worked but was garbage and at the end of the day Rust had not clicked for me and being fluent in it still felt a distant goal. I love the idea of Rust but I don't…

If you don't mind, what where the things that were hard to deal with? You mention "function calls", but I'd like to understand what that actually means in practice. This kind of negative feedback is useful to improve Rust for any other newcomers, even if we have already soured you for good.

> If you don't mind, what where the things that were hard to deal with?

The language syntax itself. Looks like the language developers wanted rust to stand out and purposefully went out of way to make it extremely difficult to learn. This is one area where Go shines, you can learn the syntax in half a day.

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by moloch-hai »

mathewvp wrote: post #134
estebank wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't mind, what where the things that were hard to deal with? You mention "function calls", but I'd like to understand what that actually means in practice. This kind of negative feedback is useful to improve Rust for any other newcomers, even if we have already soured you for good.

> If you don't mind, what where the things that were hard to deal with? The language syntax itself. Looks like the language developers wanted rust to stand out and purposefully went out of way to make it extremely difficult to learn. This is one area where Go shines, you can learn the syntax in half a day.

Rust syntax shoulders a load of semantics most languages don't bother trying to represent. They could have made it more wordy, instead, but chose the much shorter symbols, many of which can often be ignored when skimming, more easily than keywords would have been.

They have not loaded up the language with any unnecessary syntax. Go lacks the syntax because it is unable to express the semantics, and is (deliberately) a much less capable language for that. Rust is meant for professionals, so must be able to express whatever they may need to say, where Go was meant to keep junior coders out of trouble.

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by andrewstuart »

moloch-hai wrote: post #135
mathewvp wrote: post #134

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> If you don't mind, what where the things that were hard to deal with? The language syntax itself. Looks like the language developers wanted rust to stand out and purposefully went out of way to make it extremely difficult to learn. This is one area where Go shines, you can learn the syntax in half a day.

Rust syntax shoulders a load of semantics most languages don't bother trying to represent. They could have made it more wordy, instead, but chose the much shorter symbols, many of which can often be ignored when skimming, more easily than keywords would have been. They have not loaded up the language with any unnecessary syntax. Go lacks the syntax because it is unable to express the semantics, and is (deliberately)…

>> They have not loaded up the language with any unnecessary syntax.

Rust is composed of at least six sub languages.

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by andrewstuart »

likeabbas wrote: post #129
andrewstuart wrote: post #123

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I could not even succeed in doing the simplest thing like putting code into a function and executing the function and getting a result back. I can't recall why.

Interestingly, I started a side project to rebuild OneTimeSecret in Rust yesterday and got the basics working already https://github.com/likeabbas/RustOneTimeSecret The only other exposure I had to the language was attempting some Leetcode problems. I really like Rust so far. The type system is extremely powerful, the compiler gives robust error messages, and it has so many awesome features like pattern matching and…

You are smarter than me.

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by estebank »

andrewstuart wrote: post #136
moloch-hai wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rust syntax shoulders a load of semantics most languages don't bother trying to represent. They could have made it more wordy, instead, but chose the much shorter symbols, many of which can often be ignored when skimming, more easily than keywords would have been. They have not loaded up the language with any unnecessary syntax. Go lacks the syntax because it is unable to express the semantics, and is (deliberately)…

>> They have not loaded up the language with any unnecessary syntax. Rust is composed of at least six sub languages.

What syntax would you remove?

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by mathewvp »

moloch-hai wrote: post #135
mathewvp wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you don't mind, what where the things that were hard to deal with? The language syntax itself. Looks like the language developers wanted rust to stand out and purposefully went out of way to make it extremely difficult to learn. This is one area where Go shines, you can learn the syntax in half a day.

Rust syntax shoulders a load of semantics most languages don't bother trying to represent. They could have made it more wordy, instead, but chose the much shorter symbols, many of which can often be ignored when skimming, more easily than keywords would have been. They have not loaded up the language with any unnecessary syntax. Go lacks the syntax because it is unable to express the semantics, and is (deliberately)…

> Rust is meant for professionals, ..., where Go was meant to keep junior coders out of trouble.

So we the not so elite coders will stick with Go, thanks.

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by likeabbas »

andrewstuart wrote: post #137
likeabbas wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, I started a side project to rebuild OneTimeSecret in Rust yesterday and got the basics working already https://github.com/likeabbas/RustOneTimeSecret The only other exposure I had to the language was attempting some Leetcode problems. I really like Rust so far. The type system is extremely powerful, the compiler gives robust error messages, and it has so many awesome features like pattern matching and…

You are smarter than me.

Doubtful. I may have wanted to like Rust more than you when giving it a shot.

I've written a lot of Java and Go but I never enjoyed writing in those languages. I found functional programming languages in college to be very fun, and Rust is giving me that same feeling.

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