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Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by danans »

lijogdfljk wrote: post #77
kilroy123 wrote: post #28

Let's be honest – Musk doesn't know what the hell he is doing here.

I'm starting to question how much he has ever. Has something changed with him? Or has he always been like this? If it's always been this rash, hasty and questionable then i can only imagine the real heroes are the people around him who managed to refine what he says and wants into tangible, achievable and coherent goals. Regardless of whether or not you agree with his actions these days, it does at least seem a signi…

> I'm starting to question how much he has ever. Has something changed with him? Or has he always been like this?

His growing group of admirers started treating his like a messiah, and he fully embraced that role, along with the behaviors that it engenders upon someone. He's not special in that way. It's a position a lot of ambitious people would like to be in.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by mikeyouse »

rnk wrote: post #123
nickthegreek wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that paul pelosi is a gay man who got beat up by a prostitute he picked up while drinking. https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/30/business/musk-tweet-pelosi-co...

Who is musk hanging out with or reading that encourages his crazy views; he didn't use to be that way, I almost feel sorry that one of the world's riches people is so full of self-justifying bs. For most humans, the idea that you'd laugh at an attack on an 80 year person with a hammer in their home is horrible, out of bounds. There's no reason to believe this story is true of course, but on top of not laughing at hor…

Nearly all of his public replies are to some of the worst right-wing grifters on Twitter, so ironically maybe he spent too much time on the platform he just bought.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by dragonwriter »

radicaldreamer wrote: post #49
generalizations wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not like A/B tests approach anything like the rigor that we expect from actual science, though.

It wasn't "scientific" to begin with but what's happening right now is pretty clearly panicked throwing stuff at the wall based on Elon's intuition and day to day demands... while that may have worked for him in the past, I don't think it's going to work as well in this domain where you're working with a complex system dependent on millions of people's behaviors and incentives.

> while that may have worked for him in the past

Did it? The nature of Tesla and his other current businesses buffer that a bit even if it has been his approach, and it seems to have gotten him thrown out as CEO at X.com twice; among the things going on Twitter seems to be Musk trying to relitigate his failure at X.com without other investors being in a position to kick him out, but he seems to be piling up existential threats without resolving them.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by s2radhak »

Toxide wrote: post #48
andreyk wrote: post #12

TLDR: this post is entirely to calm advertisers, it can be boiled down to "don't worry, we still prioritize brand safety like before". It does have this gem in it: "What has changed, however, is our approach to experimentation. As you’ve seen over the past several weeks, Twitter is embracing public testing. We believe that this open and transparent approach to innovation is healthy, as it enables us to move faster an…

Hey remember all those terrible things we banned? Lets experiment by letting them free again! Weeeeeeeeeeee.

for our next experiment, we should re-introduce lead into paint

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by CrypticShift »

janoc wrote: post #57
CrypticShift wrote: post #11

> What has changed, however, is our approach to experimentation including I suppose Elon's experimental approach to management. I hope that in 10 years, we will look back at this twitter 2.0 (= musk's debacle) as the impetus that lead to more widespread adoption of social media 2.0 (= federation) I already see the snowball effect getting momentum with all this coverage (NPR, NYT...) and big name exits (Apple...)

It won't. Federation doesn't solve any of the problems Twitter now has. That instead of one poorly managed understaffed silo full of trolls and abusers you have 2000 poorly managed, even more understaffed systems with 2000 different approaches to moderation and content doesn't make anything easier or fixed for people who use Twitter today. It is the same like we had federated chat with Jabber for 20 years now - and n…

> doesn't solve any of the problems Twitter now has > you have 2000 poorly managed, even more understaffed systems with 2000 different approaches

It is not about short-term problem solving. It is about long-term investment in more decentralized social networks. 2000 different approaches is exactly what is needed for "natural selection" to do it job.

> are first and foremost human, business, management and social problems, not something you can throw some network protocols and technology at and declare it solved.

Agreed. But the protocols should by designed to adress and resolve those problems the best they can. This will take a lot of iterations. The more (and sooner) people jump ship, the better chance we have to test and iterate.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by ABeeSea »

bluescrn wrote: post #87
sosodev wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah... Also, the unbanning of users previously considered hateful also directly conflicts with "to keep the platform safe from hateful conduct"

Remember way back before the era of social media mob justice, when there was this concept of 'forgiveness'? At least some of the banned deserve a second chance. Those who were total monsters will probably be quickly re-banned. Others have found their own echo chambers elsewhere and won't even bother coming back.

Forgiveness usually requires some level of admitting fault and contrition. I have not seen that from the hateful accounts Elon unbanned.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by phpisthebest »

lijogdfljk wrote: post #97
janoc wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It won't. Federation doesn't solve any of the problems Twitter now has. That instead of one poorly managed understaffed silo full of trolls and abusers you have 2000 poorly managed, even more understaffed systems with 2000 different approaches to moderation and content doesn't make anything easier or fixed for people who use Twitter today. It is the same like we had federated chat with Jabber for 20 years now - and n…

/shrug, depends on how people view the problem. Smaller communities can be more focused and managed. Trying to get everyone in one place agreeing on one set of rules sounds impossible. At least federation has the potential to let groups exist differently as desired.

That is the thing, people do not go to twitter to be in "Small Focused Community"

They do it to interact with the globe, and the more people on that network the better it is.

There are a million ways to create a niche site (like hacker news) that allows a Small Focused Community to interact, that is not a replacement for Twitter

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by fullshark »

generalizations wrote: post #35
jzelinskie wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter was previously doing A/B tests. Spaces, communities, downvotes, circles, and even moderation were applied only to a subset of accounts while they actively experimented. The new policy is an objectively less scientific approach to testing functionality than what was occurring before.

It's not like A/B tests approach anything like the rigor that we expect from actual science, though.

You are likely putting "actual science" on a pedestal here

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by bluescrn »

cyberphobe wrote: post #100
bluescrn wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember way back before the era of social media mob justice, when there was this concept of 'forgiveness'? At least some of the banned deserve a second chance. Those who were total monsters will probably be quickly re-banned. Others have found their own echo chambers elsewhere and won't even bother coming back.

Elon is pretty clearly unbanning violent right-wing extremists while banning rule-following accounts on the left, sometimes transparently at the direction of the right wingers. Why do you insist on pretending anything else?

Same game as always, but now the other team now has the ball.

With a propaganda weapon as powerful as Twitter, it's probably better for everybody if it's destroyed, rather than continues to be used/abused to escalate political divisions by either side of the great divide. And that seems to be the way things are going.

It should never have been taken so seriously to begin with.

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