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Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by kshahkshah »

jupp0r wrote: post #6

Any HN scuba divers here that would use this as their only dive computer on a dive? I'm not a scuba diver myself but do engage in other adventure sports where reliable equipment can make the difference between a great trip and disaster. I'd be very reluctant to trust my life or health to this.

I've done a lot of dives, not in many years since having kids, you should not need a computer in order to dive. This is non-essential gear. I'm sure people who regularly dive (like have a 100+ dives) may disagree.

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by Terretta »

tyho wrote: post #96

I don't think this will be a useful dive computer for most people. When I first heard the Apple Watch would work as a dive computer I was very excited, but having spent some time thinking about it, and having done 20 dives since the watch was announced, I have changed my mind. The first problem is battery life. I didn't have to replace the battery on my computer for the 20 dives over a week I did recently. If I had g…

> With the Apple Watch, I would be uncomfortable starting a dive with less than 80% battery...

You'd get over that quickly if you owned this watch. It stays above 80% all the time, with just a few minutes on a mag charge in AM, while you're showering for example, and a few minutes in the evening (during a TV show or video game, for example), even when using it all day for work notifications and all night as a sleep monitor.

It goes 2 or 3 days without charge, and that's before their software update to get a multiple of that. Assuming a 30W+ charger brick, it's surprising how quickly it tops back to 80% ready to go another day or two. Workout mode doesn't burn much more, neither does dive.

Your other takes could improve with actual use as well. Nitrox and gas config, for example, is on the 2nd to last and last screenshots of the watch app itself.

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by jitl »

threeseed wrote: post #83
jitl wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to take a sabbatical and clone this stuff as an open source project. It’s so obnoxious that Apple advertised the watch as a dive computer, but you need to pay a third party $10/mo to use those features. I was considering sport watches in the $1200 range which make the $800 Apple Watch look like a steal, but after 5 years the total ownership cost of Apple Watch will be higher. It still seems like a fine deal on…

You don't need to keep the subscription active. Just enable when you need it.

Right but will it drop my logged dives? It claims to only store the 15 recent dives unless you subscribe. Really I want to store dive logs in an open format synced via iCloud, Google Drive, or uploaded to Notion, ideally without needing to screw around with a second app, import/export process, etc.

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by stevekemp »

fundad wrote: post #113
_l7dh wrote: post #105

I truly wonder. Why is Apple doing that? If I'm not mistaken, it is a small niche in terms of revenue. My hypothesis is that this is perhaps a new approach for marketing: find hobbies that correlate the most with the populations with the biggest potential revenue, taking into account the networking and demographic effects within such a population. Just throwing this off the top of my head. Bear with me :-).

Fashion is my simple answer. I think serving the niche well promotes sales among people with disposable income. People like it for looks.

There are certainly millions of people who wear Submariners without any desire to go underwater.

Though I suspect more people would regard the submariner line as better looking than any smart watch, albeit less capable.

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by scarface74 »

9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #119
scarface74 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No part of the definition of “introduction” implies that it is a first party app.

To introduce: “…; originate: introduced the new product in several test markets; … .” [1] [1] https://www.thefreedictionary.com/introduce

It still doesn’t imply it’s a first party product. I can “introduce Angular to my team”. That doesn’t mean I wrote Angular.

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by jitl »

JohnBooty wrote: post #93
teddyh wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Rated to 100m” does not mean what you think it means. It means, essentially, that it theoretically would be safe at 100m depth, assuming you lower it slowly and don’t move it about at all . IIUC, local water pressure varies significantly when you move something around underwater, which is why “100m pressure proof” does not mean “can be brought down to 100m depth”.

IIUC, local water pressure varies significantly when you move something around underwater If Wikipedia can be trusted here, movement doesn't increase water pressure as much as we think: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diving_watch#Water_resistance Movement induced dynamic pressure increase is sometimes the subject of urban myths and marketing arguments for diver's watches with high water resistance ratings. When a dive…

ISO 6425 is generally used for dive watch, eg a Rolex Submariner, not dive computer. I don't know any dive masters who wear a dive watch while diving; they seem like mostly a fashion / status symbol kind of thing? I have no interest in them anyways.

I looked at the Garmin spec sheets before buying my Apple Watch and didn't find any of their computer/watch combos listing ISO 6425. Instead they list a depth (usually 100M) and attest "Tested to engineering standard EN13319 for dive compliance", see https://www.garmin.com/en-US/legal/waterrating-definitions/

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Post by kevinskii »

threeseed wrote: post #102
isitmadeofglass wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s standard diving practice. You have a backup regulator and a backup dice computer. And in the event of both primært and secondsry familier you have a plan for how to handle it. But both the backup regulator and dice computer is on your companion. You don’t dive with two yourself.

I don't see the point of a backup dive computer for most people. Every dive I've done has been on a boat with quite a few people all doing the same sites during the day. If your computer failed you can still estimate NDL from others on the boat and just err on the side of caution. Or even just rely on paper charts like people did for decades. If you're doing cave diving then obviously a whole different story.

I agree, I don't know anyone offhand who uses two computers for recreational diving, and I would absolutely use an Apple watch as my sole dive computer. If you have a computer malfunction you can still safely return to the surface. The only reason to perhaps carry a backup is if you've traveled a long way or otherwise invested a lot of money in the trip.

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by mattigames »

scarface74 wrote: post #135
9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To introduce: “…; originate: introduced the new product in several test markets; … .” [1] [1] https://www.thefreedictionary.com/introduce

It still doesn’t imply it’s a first party product. I can “introduce Angular to my team”. That doesn’t mean I wrote Angular.

"Google introduces Angular" does mean that (even if you didn't knew what Angular is beforehand)

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by xdavidliu »

scarface74 wrote: post #89
tiffanyh wrote: post #61

@dang The title should be renamed "Available today, the Oceanic+ app on Apple Watch Ultra" Because the current title of " Apple Introduces Oceanic+" implies this is a 1st party app from Apple, which it is not.

No part of the definition of “introduction” implies that it is a first party app.

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Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by evancox100 »

shkkmo wrote: post #57
jakear wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't dive with two regulators? I haven't been in a while but I fairly distinctly remember having two regulators per person, that way if one fails you don't have to immediately fall back on passing regulators back and forth breath-by-breath. The backup isn't a particularly nice regulator, probably reusing the mechanism your vest uses to inflate, but better than nothing.

I would refuse to dive with anyone who isn't carrying two regulators. Sharing a respirator is feasible...but it requires practice to do well and significantly impairs your ability to move around or accomplish other tasks. Backup dive computers are much less common and most people use their buddy as their backup computer. It is much safer to surface without a functioning dive computer than it is to surface without a f…

Second stage is duplicated but the first stage is still a single point of failure. The backup for that is your buddy.
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