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German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Is it me or does Germany switches (back?) to open-source every few years? I remember being excited they were switching to Linux (or was it Munich?) years ago

Last time I've heard about it, it ended with users (i.e. bureaucrats) complaining about missing features and/or differences between MS and the open source alternative and forcing switching back to MS

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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I'm not European, and maybe this is why I struggle to understand this, but why do people want regulators to say, "This doesn't comply with our regulations, so you aren't allowed to use it ?" I understand the hope is that companies will comply rather than forego the entire European market, but if they don't, the last consequence is ultimately on the consumer, not the company. It seems like the same type of thing as wh…

I agree in principle, but not if it is applied to Microsoft 365 or GCP.

If it’s my small business animal shelter, or my grocery store, or even just my little SaaS… leave me alone, please, from requirements like the Quebec translation law, or similar.

Microsoft 365 is different. Odds are that there are dozens of businesses you interact with, who store their data in 365 without your knowledge. Microsoft 365 is a “in the shadows” method you probably don’t know of that is sending your data to the US.

If I could lay down a principle, it would be that the privacy rule should be determined on the privacy level of the company I the consumer interact with. If I interact with a EU business, I do not expect my data to enter the US by any method. If I interact with a US business, that is implied consent.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or it will force the European market to innovate instead of directly sending cash to US Megacorps.

If you think Microsoft is a "US Megacorp" you are tuly underestimating their global reach and ownership.

In many ways multinationals are worse. In order to avoid even lose a penny they will do any number of things that violate national sovereignty.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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For the businesses who might want to switch to an alternative. A great one is Cryptpad: https://github.com/xwiki-labs/cryptpad There are hosted instances also if you're not interested in self hosting. P.S. I'm not affiliated in any way with the project.

I love Cryptpad, but suggesting it's an alternative to Microsoft 365 is a bold statement.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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I'm not European, and maybe this is why I struggle to understand this, but why do people want regulators to say, "This doesn't comply with our regulations, so you aren't allowed to use it ?" I understand the hope is that companies will comply rather than forego the entire European market, but if they don't, the last consequence is ultimately on the consumer, not the company. It seems like the same type of thing as wh…

I want to have the podunk builder build my house however I want. What is with all those pesky building codes!

Because they (the government) think it is the minimum required for a dignified, safe society. And they are placed in a position of power and must make those judgment calls, because that is their job.

Why would people want that? Because they understand, in general, that government is important and don't want an unhinged libertarian abandonment of mutual assistance in society. And in specific, because many of them value privacy enough to put up with this type of restriction. But of course there will always be people who find this or that law too intrusive, and in the EU that means they are free to organize, protest, be activists, vote, run for office, etc.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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post #124

I'm not European, and maybe this is why I struggle to understand this, but why do people want regulators to say, "This doesn't comply with our regulations, so you aren't allowed to use it ?" I understand the hope is that companies will comply rather than forego the entire European market, but if they don't, the last consequence is ultimately on the consumer, not the company. It seems like the same type of thing as wh…

People expect their government to protect them.If I buy a product based on false advertising,i will be pissed of at the government for allowing that false advertising, instead of blaming my self for not doing due diligence. Similarly with food, i expect the government to disallow things that are seriously harmful to my health (think proven carcinogens).My personal data, if not handled correctly can cause as much damage as me consuming a specific food that has been contaminated with a banned substance.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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For the businesses who might want to switch to an alternative. A great one is Cryptpad: https://github.com/xwiki-labs/cryptpad There are hosted instances also if you're not interested in self hosting. P.S. I'm not affiliated in any way with the project.

This is as much an alternative to Office as rolling on the floor while making engine noises with your mouth is an alternative to having a car.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft 365 is extremely widespread in companies in the EU. Not because they love Microsoft but because this is a relatively simple setup. Like Google (US) or Zoho (Indian). I do not know European companies providing a cloud solution easy to deploy (I wild truly be glad to know one).

You could look into NextCloud and their NextCloud Office if you haven't heard of it yet. If you have are there any point that speak against it in your opinion? It's open source so you can even self host. Should be more than enough for most comapnies. Not sure how difficult the set-up process for an enterprise environment is, I only used the docker version before. But should be viable and if a company has Money for Mi…

I think you underestimate how many industries have software that integrates with office and cannot be easily replaced, if at all.
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