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Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by Imnimo »

kcplate wrote: post #128
Imnimo wrote: post #108

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It's interesting that you naturally attribute this belief to upbringing rather than an actual justification.

Yes, I attribute my belief that it’s important for the company helping me via my compensation to feed, cloth, and shelter my family to be successful to my upbringing. I mean I don’t recall my parents ever saying “When you start working, do as little as possible because screw them they dont deserve your best effort.” Are you implying that contributing to your company’s success isn’t important? I mean I have helped mul…

I'm implying that the success of your company does not automatically transfer to you by osmosis. These employees are not going to see any additional payoff for staying to 1AM. Even if this exercise did somehow improve Twitter's profits, that money is going to Musk, not to them. If they are paid the same salary, work 80 hours a week instead of 40, and Twitter does well as a result, what have they gotten? A 50% hourly paycut.

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by wskish »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #42
bern4444 wrote: post #36

Lots of comments on how hackathons and late night sessions were fond memories for people. The difference is those events were chosen. If you are forced to remain at your company (due to visa issues for example) being forced by your CEO to stay at work until 1am is atrocious. This is not a profession where being at the office this late is the norm and it's not typical for the environment. Twitter is not a startup in a…

The fact that so many people so willingly give in to it is why sociopaths rule us all.

I didn't quite follow, what are folks giving into?

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by kcplate »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #41
kcplate wrote: post #31

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I have a family and a life outside of work, and I can’t count how many all nighters I have pulled in 35+ years of my career. Sometimes you need to do them. Of course I was raised in a generation that believed it was in our best interest that our company’s were successful…

> I was raised in a generation that believed it was in our best interest that our company’s were successful… Unless I was given a ton of liquid equity for it, I would not assume it was in my best interest.

But would you still do it without the cash?

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by kcplate »

stouset wrote: post #49
kcplate wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a family and a life outside of work, and I can’t count how many all nighters I have pulled in 35+ years of my career. Sometimes you need to do them. Of course I was raised in a generation that believed it was in our best interest that our company’s were successful…

I have 20 years in startups and this is not normal.

Twitter has been a product for literally 16 years, pretty sure it’s not a startup.

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by xii23 »

kcplate wrote: post #129
x128 wrote: post #48

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and what do I gain by giving my soul to the company?

Maybe a lot of you are willing to take a chance with some risk and some effort. Maybe you get nothing. I know some really wealthy people who are only wealthy because they took a little risk. I know some people who could be wealthy too if they took the same leap, but didn’t and they aren’t. Perhaps they felt like you do…. It all comes down to choices. These people sticking at Twitter are making their choice. Others le…

This is just gambling but with your time instead of your money. I think you're more likely to become rich by starting your own side gig than by working for Elon until 1am on a Friday.

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by yongjik »

dannyw wrote: post #97
yongjik wrote: post #65

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> A startup sized team working on a platform with twitters scale for a boss with capital and a willingness to consider new ideas? Willingness to consider his new ideas. Not your new ideas. He's the idea man, your job is to implement it. And if you tell him why the idea may not work as intended, you're fired.

Tesla has implemented numerous ideas from their customers' tweets.

Well, come to think of it, if you want your ideas to be implemented in Twitter, tweeting publicly at Elon Musk (and staying the hell away from Twitter HQ) seems like the way to go. Plus, no danger of being fired.

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by kcplate »

Imnimo wrote: post #131
kcplate wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I attribute my belief that it’s important for the company helping me via my compensation to feed, cloth, and shelter my family to be successful to my upbringing. I mean I don’t recall my parents ever saying “When you start working, do as little as possible because screw them they dont deserve your best effort.” Are you implying that contributing to your company’s success isn’t important? I mean I have helped mul…

I'm implying that the success of your company does not automatically transfer to you by osmosis. These employees are not going to see any additional payoff for staying to 1AM. Even if this exercise did somehow improve Twitter's profits, that money is going to Musk, not to them. If they are paid the same salary, work 80 hours a week instead of 40, and Twitter does well as a result, what have they gotten? A 50% hourly…

So, some week down the line they may only work 20 hours and as salaried employees will likely still get the same paycheck that they did for doing 80 hours. By your logic I guess they wouldn’t deserve that 50% extra comp they received for the hours they didn’t work, correct? I’d say it’s a safe bet that almost all have happily cashed that paycheck for likely years and I’d wager at least 50% didn’t work 2080 hours in the last 12 months.

Exempt employees drawing a salary are pretty much paid on an expect end result more than some arbitrary # of hours the employee works. Hours are meaningless.

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by gizmo385 »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #126
bern4444 wrote: post #36

Lots of comments on how hackathons and late night sessions were fond memories for people. The difference is those events were chosen. If you are forced to remain at your company (due to visa issues for example) being forced by your CEO to stay at work until 1am is atrocious. This is not a profession where being at the office this late is the norm and it's not typical for the environment. Twitter is not a startup in a…

I've never seen an optional hackathon that didn't come with serious "contribute or else" vibes.

I’m the exact opposite. I’ve never seen a hackathon with that mentality and you should avoid hackathons that guilt you into working beyond your limits

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by kcplate »

xii23 wrote: post #135
kcplate wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe a lot of you are willing to take a chance with some risk and some effort. Maybe you get nothing. I know some really wealthy people who are only wealthy because they took a little risk. I know some people who could be wealthy too if they took the same leap, but didn’t and they aren’t. Perhaps they felt like you do…. It all comes down to choices. These people sticking at Twitter are making their choice. Others le…

This is just gambling but with your time instead of your money. I think you're more likely to become rich by starting your own side gig than by working for Elon until 1am on a Friday.

I disagree. That requires a having money stashed enough to do it or being tough enough to be poor…then having good idea, talent, and luck. I have been in tech long enough to know that is a exceedingly rare combination.

The bulk of the wealthy in tech got there by working for some lucky person, with a modicum of talent, and a good idea that happened to offer them a piece of the company before some VC swooped in funded them.

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