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Re: Typing “old” (space) into iOS Safari crashes the app

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Turning off Safari Suggestions is one of the first and most important privacy tweaks on a new iPhone. Otherwise every keystroke you type in the address bar gets sent to Apple in realtime.

> most important Really? No - there is no privacy threat surface with suggestions, unless you assume that Apple and everyone who works there is lying about it? ref: "any information sent to Apple does not identify you, and is associated with a 15-minute random, rotating device-generated identifier" [0] https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/siri-suggestions...

Apple also said:

“We do not provide any government agency with direct access to our servers, and any government agency requesting customer content must get a court order.”

Either Snowden is lying, or Apple is.

There are lots of potential explanations here. It’s possible and even likely that in an org as large as Apple, the people writing press copy simply are not exposed to all of the details of all of the moving parts that enable realtime surveillance of their userbase. They can also use a different definition of “direct access” (while providing realtime unsupervised access via API, but not via physical (“direct”) entry to a datacenter building).

Apple also claims (in HT202303) that iMessage is end to end encrypted, when for the vast majority of the userbase of iMessage, Apple has copies (readable to Apple) of the endpoint private keys and can, if they wish, decrypt and read and store anyone’s iMessages in realtime as if they were not encrypted at all. It’s still “end to end encrypted” if there is a key escrow backdoor in the system that defeats the end to end encryption. It’s like putting a $5 gym lock on a cardboard box. It’s not lying to say that you locked it up.

You can make factually accurate statements about certain specific things that paint a picture or strongly imply a state of affairs that is diametrically opposed to the truth. Apple is, as far as I can tell, the best in the world at this type of misdirection. It even fools professional journalists.

For example: if they log the client IP of all requests to the API, the statement you quoted holds true - and yet it is still trivial to make a single query to a) relate all of your API requests together, and b) relate them to your identity via Apple’s many other APIs. The “rotating” implies that it is unlinked, but does not guarantee that it is unlinkable (eg from having client IP and timestamp columns in the data).

Apple is skilled at lying by saying only very specific, true things, as confusing as that may sound.

It is also a mistake to assume there is no importance because there is no threat model. Even if the data is never linked to you, it is a privacy violation for the keystrokes to leave your device if you don’t want them to. For a contrived example, you don’t need a threat model or ID linkage to not want your neck-down nudes leaked. A non-identifiable privacy violation is still a privacy violation.

Re: Typing “old” (space) into iOS Safari crashes the app

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They really, really don't want you using old.reddit.com Doesn't reproduce for me btw. I also have the setting disabled that adds a period when typing a space twice, if that matters.

I use my phone as little as possible, I just realized the only 2 things I type into my mobile browser (currently safari) on a regular basis are new(s.ycombinator.com) and old(.reddit.com). Never put that together before, it's been like a decade.

I wasn't able to reproduce the bug.

Re: Typing “old” (space) into iOS Safari crashes the app

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post #56

I had a bunch of open tabs in Safari, and typing "old" (space) not only crashed Safari but got rid of almost all of the open tabs. It was all stuff I needed to refer back to, and yeah that's not a great way to manage stuff like that. Of course bookmarks would be the right way. But now it's gone. So be careful.

That's actually an interesting datapoint, it means Safari is crashing so hard it flushes the tab storage; normally "killing" (especially a background kill) Safari won't do that.

Re: Typing “old” (space) into iOS Safari crashes the app

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post #80

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These initialisms, abbreviations and acronyms are getting out of hand.

These are the people who in real life say “Jan” instead of “January.”

I literally just had a PM tell me "we will talk about that 'tom'". It left me confused for a few seconds. Is it really that hard to use a couple more syllables?

Re: Typing “old” (space) into iOS Safari crashes the app

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are the people who in real life say “Jan” instead of “January.”

At least that can usually be understood from context. Acronyms and initialisms usually cannot unless you already know them.

Sounds like most conversations I had with cybersecurity people until I learned about NIST 800s, FIPS, CNSS, STIGs, etc.

Re: Typing “old” (space) into iOS Safari crashes the app

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post #68

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> your device may have to reside CONUS for some of "tar"(-get), "bes"(-tbuy), I have no idea what this means

"CONUS" is short for "CONtinental United States"

Where is this term popular? I have never, ever heard this term before.

Re: Typing “old” (space) into iOS Safari crashes the app

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Is old.reddit.com very unstable for everyone else in safari or just me? On my past 3 iphones through multiple iOS versions I can't browse for more than 10 minutes without eventually hanging/crashing safari. It seems to happen most frequently after browsing posts with images

New Reddit it like that. Page randomly resets no matter what you’re doing. Dumps you back at the top and asks if you want to install the app. They are desperate about getting you to download their app.

I installed an app. A 3rd party app. To occasionally obtain useful info from that site whose designers are hostile.
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