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App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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We use LogRocket to record all interactions with our front-ends and it's awesome for trouble shooting and also invaluable for our product managers. They can see where users are struggling with the app and where extra-guidance is necessary. I'm assuming many many many other apps and web pages are doing the same thing. Nothing to see here.

BTW which App?

A major one

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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This is nothing new. Apple has been tracking searches in the App Store, which apps you scroll past and which ones you tap on very far back, maybe even since the initial App Store, that's how they figure out how to rank various apps for various search terms (I don't know the exact formula but one of the components is CTR for a particular search term, others appears to be rating score, number of ratings, number of written review, number of total downloads, download velocity, given keywords, title, company name, trademark, update frequency, etc).

If you search multiple times for the same term you will see a slight variation in search results, that's how they give apps a chance to move up or down. IE they move you down one slot but you still outperform the app above in CTR, you probably should remain in your current spot, or move up. Another app gets moved in front of their current ranking and the app that got moved down outperforms it in CTR, keep things as they are.

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Yeah I know they do, but websites can collect much less data than native apps. I just try to minimize it.

What data can apps collect without you giving them permission that websites can’t?

A unique identifier which is 100% stable over multiple sessions for once. Which makes the rest of the data so much more useful.

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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The Universal Declaration of Human Rights says something about arbitrary interference in a person's privacy not being okay, so there's that. https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma...

Not convinced. By your logic, an nginx log with your IP in it is a similarly egregious and unethical privacy violation. If you're going to commit to "all forms of tracking are bad no matter what" I'm going to need stronger evidence than a link a page on the UN's website.

You're taking a full black-or-white approach, which isn't helpful. Yes, an nginx log contains personal data (which is why a GDPR-compliant nginx log obfuscates the IP, absent of user consent). But tracking user interactions is much more invasive, which is why the parent posters complained about it.

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Just don't read it on a Kindle, another device which monitors everything you do (how long you remain on a page etc).

I think of all the tech I use that could track me, I’m most OK with the Kindle. All my books come from Libby so the Library Industrial Complex also knows.

I consider the books i read to be quite private information. Just think about medical or psychological books.

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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OP misconstrues an iOS tracking dialog to support their complaint: > The strange thing is that Apple introduced strict measures in iOS 14.5 to prevent developers from fingerprinting users. The dialog text in their screenshot reads: > Allow “App” to track your activity across other companies’ apps and sites? Users refusing this permission are not prohibiting tracking by the company that issued the dialog. They are pro…

Whatever Apple is doing, it should be possible to buy a phone and not have it phone home without permission. And you should be able to use the phone without ever contacting the vendor again. Otherwise you bought a service, not a product. Also, I recall a case where MacOS was asking Apple permission whenever the user wished to start an executable. This is nuts.

That exists. It's called a dumbphone

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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We use cameras to record all interactions with our cupboards and it's awesome for trouble shooting and also invaluable for our product managers. They can see where users are struggling with the furniture and where extra-guidance is necessary.

I don’t think that’s a fair comparison. Screen tracking is essentially logging which UI elements users interact with and some metadata like the time, their device config, etc. It doesn’t necessarily require capturing video of the user. A better analogy would be hooking up a door open/closed sensor to the cupboard, and capacitive sensors that log the location of touches, so that you can analyse what % of users struggl…

It's still a stretch since a cupboard can work offline while performing basically any action in App Store requires an API call anyway.

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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OP misconstrues an iOS tracking dialog to support their complaint: > The strange thing is that Apple introduced strict measures in iOS 14.5 to prevent developers from fingerprinting users. The dialog text in their screenshot reads: > Allow “App” to track your activity across other companies’ apps and sites? Users refusing this permission are not prohibiting tracking by the company that issued the dialog. They are pro…

Whatever Apple is doing, it should be possible to buy a phone and not have it phone home without permission. And you should be able to use the phone without ever contacting the vendor again. Otherwise you bought a service, not a product. Also, I recall a case where MacOS was asking Apple permission whenever the user wished to start an executable. This is nuts.

The line is blurry with smartphones, as all kinds of "smart" functionality IS a service, and depends on contacting the vendor.

>Also, I recall a case where MacOS was asking Apple permission whenever the user wished to start an executable. This is nuts.

Not that nuts. It's intended to be able to blacklist malware and such and retroactively disable it, through notarization (basically, registering apps to Apple and them getting a kind of fingerprint).

They could have done it with a local cache (and they probably do in some capacity), but it would still need to ask/sync every now and then.

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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OP misconstrues an iOS tracking dialog to support their complaint: > The strange thing is that Apple introduced strict measures in iOS 14.5 to prevent developers from fingerprinting users. The dialog text in their screenshot reads: > Allow “App” to track your activity across other companies’ apps and sites? Users refusing this permission are not prohibiting tracking by the company that issued the dialog. They are pro…

Whatever Apple is doing, it should be possible to buy a phone and not have it phone home without permission. And you should be able to use the phone without ever contacting the vendor again. Otherwise you bought a service, not a product. Also, I recall a case where MacOS was asking Apple permission whenever the user wished to start an executable. This is nuts.

The merits of your arguments aside, Apple is not obliged to sell you a device that satisfies your personal requirements.

Apple most definitely sells you a service, which is a managed computing platform. Alternatives exist. (And if they don’t, that’s not Apple’s problem.)

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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If you do that, you lose all your apps and settings. Ergo, nobody does that. If you switch phones, you transfer the account. Also, Apple tracking what you do in their App Store is perhaps not very nice but doesn’t affect anyone in any detectable way so no normal person is going to go through the effort to avoid it, if they even know it is happening.

This argument’s logical error is declaring that an inconvenience takes higher precedence than the desired outcome. For example, I am seriously considering doing exactly what you describe as “nobody does that” — having to repurchase all my apps and redo all my settings — in order to complete my transgender name change. Apple refuses to purge my old deadname’s iCloud email address, and so if I want to remove it, I’ll n…

You are an extreme outlier, Apple is not going to risk their reputation fingerprinting users just so they can track you.

If you truly have a request like this, send an email to the person in the executive team responsible for Apple accounts, they’ll probably have executive relations fix it for you.

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