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Re: Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back

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Post by wilg »

boplicity wrote: post #53
fm2606 wrote: post #23

If I were asked back I'd take it (hopefully with an increase in salary) then I'd actively search for another job. Once I landed it I'd give zero day notice. Fuck them. I understand I could be potentially hurting coworkers by adding additional work to their plate but Twitter didn't give 2 shits about the people left behind and the work that they would have to take on. Why is it corporations can "layoff" without notice…

The U.S. healthcare system traps people in companies, for fear of losing access to reliable healthcare. A system that was completely independent from employers would be much more beneficial to employees. Plus, it would save huge administrative costs for private companies. This would especially benefit small companies, but, really, it would make the job of running any company much easier.

I have noticed several people in my life seeming to vastly overestimate the cost of getting healthcare through the healthcare.gov exchanges. If you leave your job, you can just do that. It’s much cheaper than the COBRA price, which I think people are looking at. For many people, it shouldn’t be a huge problem to get insurance this way. (I would still prefer single-payer!)

Re: Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back

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Post by int_19h »

ProjectArcturis wrote: post #37
dirkg wrote: post #29

Whatever happened to the WARN lawsuits against Musk? How is he allowed to layoff 40-50% of staff with zero notice?

He's paying 3 months severance.

So when he's bragging that severance is larger than it had to be, it's basically a lie?

Re: Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back

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Post by ceejayoz »

wilg wrote: post #131
boplicity wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The U.S. healthcare system traps people in companies, for fear of losing access to reliable healthcare. A system that was completely independent from employers would be much more beneficial to employees. Plus, it would save huge administrative costs for private companies. This would especially benefit small companies, but, really, it would make the job of running any company much easier.

I have noticed several people in my life seeming to vastly overestimate the cost of getting healthcare through the healthcare.gov exchanges. If you leave your job, you can just do that. It’s much cheaper than the COBRA price, which I think people are looking at. For many people, it shouldn’t be a huge problem to get insurance this way. (I would still prefer single-payer!)

Depends if you quality for the subsidy or not. Mine's $2400/month (family of four) through the exchange. Going up 10% next year, too.

Re: Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back

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Post by Tempest1981 »

wilg wrote: post #131
boplicity wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The U.S. healthcare system traps people in companies, for fear of losing access to reliable healthcare. A system that was completely independent from employers would be much more beneficial to employees. Plus, it would save huge administrative costs for private companies. This would especially benefit small companies, but, really, it would make the job of running any company much easier.

I have noticed several people in my life seeming to vastly overestimate the cost of getting healthcare through the healthcare.gov exchanges. If you leave your job, you can just do that. It’s much cheaper than the COBRA price, which I think people are looking at. For many people, it shouldn’t be a huge problem to get insurance this way. (I would still prefer single-payer!)

> healthcare.gov exchanges. It’s much cheaper

Interesting... I've heard it's the opposite, price-wise.

Re: Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back

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Post by Watchwatcher »

dissent wrote: post #129
gw98 wrote: post #61

How it looked in his head: Swoop in to the sounds of Jan Hammer’s Crocketts Theme with his Tesla staff entourage, you’re fired you’re fired, sit down, hack the planet, job done, planet bows before him, free speech restored. How it turned out: “Um, boss, we’ve spent the last three days trying to get a build running in Jenkins. Might want to get the dudes you fired back.”. While all the advertisers distance themselves…

The world's full of them though. I don't really get the passion behind the anti-Elon camp. It sounds personal. Isn't it just some billionaire doing what they do?

It does feel unnaturally influenced, I agree. Follow the money, I suppose.

Who stands to gain from twitter and/or elons failure? We can speculate for fun. Certainly Bill Gates, with his half billion short on Tesla. He'd have the money to influence social media. We already know Microsoft games HN from when the CEO was bragging about it to shareholders. So it can be done.

Who else? Oil and Gas probably hate him for Teslas battery tech.

The entire automotive industry would be interested in piling on.

... NASA? That doesn't seem like them but who knows.

Everyone on twitter who already hated him would be doubling down.

I figure most are just secretly jealous. I am.

Re: Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back

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Post by fredophile »

recuter wrote: post #101
itsdrewmiller wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody else is cutting 50%, and the twitter severance isn't particularly generous either relative to other layoffs.

The other tech companies are still wildly profitable, Twitter is losing money. The severance is generous relative to company finances I'd say. Heck for some it is more than a Walmart greeter makes in a whole year actually working.. Eventbrite cut 50% during covid btw.

> Twitter is losing money

Most of Twitter's current losses are the interested payment on Musk's leveraged buyout.

> Eventbrite cut 50% during covid btw

I'm shocked that a company whose business plan revolves around groups of people meeting in person had financial trouble during the pandemic.

Re: Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back

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Post by recuter »

zzzeek wrote: post #116
recuter wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This article says they are trying to bring back "dozens" of employees. 3700 were fired. Of those apparently some were fired due to clerical error. What is there to explain? There is a bunch of mass layoffs happening in other tech companies (and across the economy), are we going to pretend they will all go smoothly? Actually come to think of it, without this acquisition Twitter would still have been forced to let a bu…

Dozens of employees, some of which may be essential to critical operations if they are in fact this desperate to get them back. If Twitter is down for 24 hours because they fired the three people that know the affected subsystem the best, the "it's only dozens out of 5700" proportion says nothing about actual business impact.

Har! A fail whale is close, I too can feel it. Yet to spot one tho, best keep your eyes peeled matey.

Re: Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back

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Post by lultimouomo »

thordenmark wrote: post #69
fm2606 wrote: post #23

If I were asked back I'd take it (hopefully with an increase in salary) then I'd actively search for another job. Once I landed it I'd give zero day notice. Fuck them. I understand I could be potentially hurting coworkers by adding additional work to their plate but Twitter didn't give 2 shits about the people left behind and the work that they would have to take on. Why is it corporations can "layoff" without notice…

That is certainly a hot take. When a company is losing $4 million a day drastic measures are in order to save the company so the remaining employees still have a job. Having worked in tech for over 20 years and being on both sides of layoffs I can tell you how hard it is for the people making the decision of who to layoff is exceedingly difficult and heart breaking. It definitely looks like Twitter was a hot mess and…

Of those 4M/day, 2.7M are the interest on the leveraged buyout debt that Musk had Twitter take, they weren't there before!

In comparison, assuming an everage yearly cost per fired employee of 200K, by firing 3000 of them they are saving 1.6M a day.

Musk added 2.7M/day of purely financial cost, and then tried to reduce the damage by firing half the company and it's not even nearly enough!

And this is before the lost income from advertising...

I won't pretend to know business better than the richest man in the world, but from down here this sure looks like the train wreck of the century. We'll see I guess.

Re: Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back

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Post by hagbarth »

It was pretty obvious from the speed of the layoffs that this would happen. No way they would be able to accurately suss out everyone that would be needed in a few days. They prioritised speed over accuracy, which I can actually respect. Question is how hard it's going to bite them.

Re: Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back

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Post by spoils19 »

Vt71fcAqt7 wrote: post #13
cbtacy wrote: post #3

Can we now, at long last, kill the myth that Elon Musk is a business genius?

I realized Elon wasn't a scientist or engineer a long time ago. But a good businessman I thought he was and I think it's too early to say in this case whether that holds true. One issue is that since the company is now private, we most likley will not get to see it's profit. All we will have is what employees or musk says. So I still think it's too soon to make conclusions.

I agree with you. It's simple - if you're against Musk, you're against the betterment of humanity.
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