I was surprised that he revealed yesterday in the reddit thing that he has never owned a home or had real financial security. I'm enough of a fan to know that he is definitely not rich from comedy, but I somehow figured he had made enough to own a home outright at least. FTA: "And a friend of mine who does torrent stuff a lot says that when torrent users do buy something, they act like they're doing the greatest thin…
Nah, there's no way this is true. He has a Leica MP: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Dc4zH72... ), a 50mm Summilux, and a 35mm ASPH summicron. The MP is $5000, the 50mm is $3700 and the 35mm is $3000. Edit: Damn it, no markdown!?
Louis C.K. "I've never seen a check from a [TV] comedy special"
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Re: Louis C.K. "I've never seen a check from a [TV] comedy special"
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yep, you're almost certainly right. I'd bet on it being more than 70% though.
Posting this anonymously because I don't want to seem like I'm plugging myself and my management would probably get angry. I'm a standup as well, not quite as large as CK but a number of tv spots under my belt etc. But it's absolutely right. There's barely anything. You're average split goes a bit something like this: Depends where you are. On average a theatre takes around 30%. A bit less in Australia (eg Melbourne…
I got started in standup about 10 years ago and went from doing 2-minutes at an open mic to MC at the DC Improv for Robert Schimmel in something like 4 years. That's 4 years of getting on stage every chance I got and trying to write material that was funny and current. It gets old quick. When it came time to make a decision about comedy (which I loved then and still do), it became more about opportunity cost (as you put it) and lifestyle factors. My next move was to go out on the road and to be honest, that life just didn't appeal to me. Add in the stress of dealing with club managers, never having enough money, and circulating among other comics with various levels of personal disfunction and addiction issues and I opted for a "boring" life in tech.
Show business is a tough life and it's the rare individual who can make a go at it and find success enough to have a "normal" life. My observation has been that the stress of the performer career/lifestyle leads to substance abuse faster than almost any other career choice outside of high finance.
The next time you see a comedian performing in a comedy club, consider this: unless he's the headline act, he probably made something like $50-$75-$150 for his performances for the entire night depending on how long he was on stage. If that sounds good for 20 or 30 minutes of "work", figure out how much time was spent travelling and writing material before you do your final calculation. Nobody gets rich off of middle money.
Re: Louis C.K. "I've never seen a check from a [TV] comedy special"
#133I was surprised that he revealed yesterday in the reddit thing that he has never owned a home or had real financial security. I'm enough of a fan to know that he is definitely not rich from comedy, but I somehow figured he had made enough to own a home outright at least. FTA: "And a friend of mine who does torrent stuff a lot says that when torrent users do buy something, they act like they're doing the greatest thin…
"Minus some money for PayPal charges etc, I have a profit around $200,000... This is less than I would have been paid by a large company to simply perform the show..."
If he can get over 200k for show, he may not be mega-rich by television celebrity standards, but he is doing pretty well for himself.
edit: to be clear, I don't begrudge him his success or think that he isn't entitled to sell his material for $5 a pop. I just think that making him out to be a starving artist is a mischaracterization.
Re: Louis C.K. "I've never seen a check from a [TV] comedy special"
#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
Has that really been the response that this Louis C.K. video has received though? The "I'm awesome because I didn't pirate this" attitude? I'll admit I've pirated things, and I'll admit that I did feel good about myself for buying this video. The good feeling, in my mind, had nothing to do with having paid rather than pirated. I liked that he was bucking convention, and trying his own distribution model, and the lack…
> I liked that he was bucking convention, and trying his own distribution model, and the lack of DRM and just eliminating all, or as many barriers as possible. I wanted to support the effort. So if this were ever to become the norm, would the equilibrium again shift back to people just plain grabbing stuff again, because efforts like this would not stand out any more?
We're already living in a world where you can easily get a digital product for free, whether it's a movie or a tv show or a song or an ebook, so I think the only thing that's left to do is to radically shift all of these industries so that their content becomes just as easy to obtain legally as it is to pirate.
I seem to recall someone, I think it was Joel Spolsky, talking about Napster, and he said something to the effect that Napster's achievement wasn't that you could get songs for free, it was that you could decide you wanted to hear a song and you were able to hear that song pretty much instantly.
If you make your content easy to obtain legally, and if you remove the DRM handcuffs from those who do obtain content in this way, I think you'll find that a lot more people will choose to pay for it.
The trick is that a lot of this stuff is still complicated, and companies are desperately hanging on to old business models, and things are counter-intuitive to people who do buy.
For example, I don't own a Kindle. I have no real desire to own a Kindle because I'm a really slow reader and I only read one book at a time. If I'm on the bus and want to read, I'll carry that one book with me. If I go on vacation, I'll take three or four books an I won't get through all of them.
My girlfriend, on the other hand, might benefit from a Kindle, since she reads a lot, but I hate the implementation of them.
My understanding is that Kindles, when speaking from the context of Amazon DRM, only read books owned by a single account. If I buy a book on my account, and she buys a book on her account, the same Kindle can't have both books on at the same time without stripping the DRM. So you're left with three solutions:
1. Strip the DRM off the book. This is the same as piracy, from a legal perspective, though admittedly it's harder to get caught. If you're going this route, then why not just say fuck it and torrent the book from the start?
2. Buy all books under a single account, then use that same account on two Kindles. The problem with this is that people hook up and break up. If you break up, either one person loses all their books, or you "pirate" them a la Option 1. Also, if you enter a new relationship and both parties have Kindles with their own accounts, you can't reconcile the two without resorting to Option 1 and breaking the DRM.
3. Buy the book twice. This is incredibly counter-intuitive to most people who are used to sharing their physical copy of a book.
So basically what I'm saying is that there are a lot of problems with digital content that need to be resolved, but the public perspective on these industries has already shifted, and all that's left is for industry to either adapt or die. The people who pirate content when faced with an option to easily buy will always pirate that content. They will also always have the ability to pirate that content, because even after a decade of trying people are still able to easily strip DRM, and people will always be around to break and strip new forms of DRM (not to mention that DRM in general is dying because it's user-hostile and no consumer wants it). I think "the norm" will be "default buy" when content becomes easily accessible legally, but you're never going to eliminate the subset of the population that outright refuses to pay for content.
Re: Louis C.K. "I've never seen a check from a [TV] comedy special"
#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
FX is the home of non-mainstream comedies.
Actually, I think if you look at the ratings Comedy Central has more obscure comedies. I am assuming that "non-mainstream" translates to small audience. Keep in mind that while Sunny started out as a cult hit, it's about to become the longest running live action comedy on cable. In contrast, last Thursday The Daily Show did worse than Sunny, The League, and Beavis and Butthead. And if you compare to broadcast, all of…
That part is surprisingly less true nowadays. Pawn Stars on History this week got a 2.1 18-49 rating. Community on broadcast NBC got a 1.5.
Re: Louis C.K. "I've never seen a check from a [TV] comedy special"
#136Can't believe someone put it on a Torrent site with that lame excuse. His experiment is interesting and I think it works but only for acts like him. I'd like to see stats on the Humble Indy bundles I feel they follow the same model but at a smaller scale.
Buying the special allows you only two downloads, even if the download doesn't complete. My first try, the Wi-Fi dropped; luckily, the second worked. While waiting, I was bemused thinking that I would have a legitimate reason to torrent if it didn't go through. (Actually, I would have just bought it again, as an excuse to give the man more money. Like his bit with the veteran on the plane, I got a hit of feeling good…
I understand as an alternate to downloading and getting what you paid for sure, you can seed it. But don't put it up there with a note that says the video should be free.
Re: Louis C.K. "I've never seen a check from a [TV] comedy special"
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't believe it was ever default that one must purchase information.
books, sheet music, information used to be more expensive by far than it is now.
Re: Louis C.K. "I've never seen a check from a [TV] comedy special"
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's why the bit worked (but, let's leave the frog gently steamed instead of boiled). But I'm saying, I don't think he was making that up. I think he was able to sell the bit because everyone, himself included, believes it to be fundamentally true. Which very simple math corroborates. The first Louis CK show I saw was at the Vic, a tiny theater, which sold out 1000 seats at $35+/ticket on a two-show night. The seco…
* Booking the venue * Paying the venue staff * Producing marketing materials * Doing the actual marketing * Transport * Hotel * Transport for the support acts * Hotel for the support acts * Fee for the support acts * Fee for the support acts' agents * Insurance * Agency fees It adds up. Obviously I don't know anything about his finances, maybe he is actually stinking rich, all I'm saying is tours like that aren't nec…
Re: Louis C.K. "I've never seen a check from a [TV] comedy special"
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's why the bit worked (but, let's leave the frog gently steamed instead of boiled). But I'm saying, I don't think he was making that up. I think he was able to sell the bit because everyone, himself included, believes it to be fundamentally true. Which very simple math corroborates. The first Louis CK show I saw was at the Vic, a tiny theater, which sold out 1000 seats at $35+/ticket on a two-show night. The seco…
* Booking the venue * Paying the venue staff * Producing marketing materials * Doing the actual marketing * Transport * Hotel * Transport for the support acts * Hotel for the support acts * Fee for the support acts * Fee for the support acts' agents * Insurance * Agency fees It adds up. Obviously I don't know anything about his finances, maybe he is actually stinking rich, all I'm saying is tours like that aren't nec…
Re: Louis C.K. "I've never seen a check from a [TV] comedy special"
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's why the bit worked (but, let's leave the frog gently steamed instead of boiled). But I'm saying, I don't think he was making that up. I think he was able to sell the bit because everyone, himself included, believes it to be fundamentally true. Which very simple math corroborates. The first Louis CK show I saw was at the Vic, a tiny theater, which sold out 1000 seats at $35+/ticket on a two-show night. The seco…
* Booking the venue * Paying the venue staff * Producing marketing materials * Doing the actual marketing * Transport * Hotel * Transport for the support acts * Hotel for the support acts * Fee for the support acts * Fee for the support acts' agents * Insurance * Agency fees It adds up. Obviously I don't know anything about his finances, maybe he is actually stinking rich, all I'm saying is tours like that aren't nec…