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Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

#131

I'm being slightly offtopic here but I really dislike how slow Firefox is to launch since it became a snap package as a default on Ubuntu 22.04. I know I can uninstall the Firefox snap and install it through APT, but I imagine more and more packages will become snaps by default on Ubuntu. And finding out now that it's possible that snaps are part of a walled garden, just like app/play stores are is really bumming me…

I use linux mint which is still ubuntu based and doesn't use snaps.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

#132

    > > Snap Store administrators had to remove the snap in accordance with our policies.
    >
    > Thank you for providing an official answer.
An officious answer is more like it. Note the deliberate evasiveness (which policy? Mind your own business.). This is to be expected from an organization one of whose "policies" is "we are going to update apps on 'your' desktop whether you like it or not, luzer."

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Well, I have been using Ubuntu for many years. This kind of thing, centralizing packages and removing one without explanation etc makes me think I should move on. I suppose the alternative is to switch to Debian? Or maybe there is something totally different that is becoming popular that I don't know about yet?

I switched from Ubuntu to Debian on the server side when Canonical started pushing Snaps on Ubuntu Server. Having a server dependency on a proprietary app store is unacceptable to me when open alternatives are available. Debian makes sense because it's upstream from Ubuntu and known for stability. On the desktop side, Debian is also a stable choice, but you might prefer to go downstream from Ubuntu to get newer featu…

> you might prefer to go downstream from Ubuntu to get newer features sooner.

  sudo apt update
  sudo apt upgrade
  sudo sed -i 's/bullseye/sid/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
  sudo apt dist-upgrade

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

#135

Signal Snap Maintainer here, this is because of a DMCA takedown request from lawyers representing Signal. Canonical is currently working with them to clear things up. Canonical's communication to me was initially lacking due to issues in their process, the process has been amended and I'm back in the loop again.

Typical behavior from Signal. They have a track record of hostility that we as a community should really not be tolerating. I do not use Signal and I tell my friends not to, either. Play nice or don't play at all.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

#136
post #30

Well, I have been using Ubuntu for many years. This kind of thing, centralizing packages and removing one without explanation etc makes me think I should move on. I suppose the alternative is to switch to Debian? Or maybe there is something totally different that is becoming popular that I don't know about yet?

I don't see anyone mentioning fedora. Is that a decent alternative?

Yes. In fact I'd personally recommend Fedora as a better alternative to Ubuntu than Debian.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

#137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's standard policy for me to uninstall snapd after every Ubuntu install

My standard policy is to avoid Canonical

Ubuntu minus snap is to me is still worth the headache honestly. Once you write the build script that cleans up the crap you forget it was ever even there.

Would I use Ubuntu as a desktop, oh hell no -- nothing is ever going to beat Fedora.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

#138
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Still need a phone number - They refuse to post the app on f-droid (directly) - No 3rd party clients allowed on their servers. - Crypto thing they attempted - I don't trust Moxie, he rubs me the wrong way.

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Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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This is not a good look. The snap has been gone for almost a month, with seemingly no information given to the maintainer or users about why, except a belated "we removed it for policy reasons" 21 days ago. And if this happens to maintainers associated with Snapcrafters , imagine how you're treated if you're just some random person or company who maintains your own snap. This is the sort of reason why people are conc…

Another perspective: Canonical's IoT offering, Ubuntu Core, is based around the idea that Canonical provides the base operating system, and you provide your software as a snap, uploaded to Canonical's snap store, and you push updates to your IoT product by pushing an updated snap to the store. That has always rubbed me the wrong way, but "Canonical will just delete the snap and not respond to questions about why" was…

To be fair, as long as you don’t issue a DMCA takedown for your own software, this particular case is not a good example of something to be worried about in that situation. There may be plenty of other concerns, of course.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

#140

I'm being slightly offtopic here but I really dislike how slow Firefox is to launch since it became a snap package as a default on Ubuntu 22.04. I know I can uninstall the Firefox snap and install it through APT, but I imagine more and more packages will become snaps by default on Ubuntu. And finding out now that it's possible that snaps are part of a walled garden, just like app/play stores are is really bumming me…

For a typical Ubuntu desktop user this is such a PITA. A small app like Spotify client takes around 15 seconds to start up on my beefed up workstation. Canonical pretends this issue doesn't exist but I've had enough and I'm switching to Fedora. They are openly hostile towards their own users.

> They are openly hostile towards their own users.

Yes, and it's deeply ingrained in their culture so unlikely (IMHO) to change. My eyes first opened to this in April of 2011 when I was (horribly) surprised by Gnome being removed in favor of Unity, when I saw how they treated their users and community on forums and such. It was the same condescending attitude we see today where the user are complete idiots who want to do things the "wrong" way and the canonical employees (especially the "community managers") know the "right" way to do everything.

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