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Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by swyx » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 8:32 PM UTC

jdelman wrote: post #6

Congratulations to the Remix team. Though neither Remix's nor Shopify's blog posts make it clear, I'm guessing Michael and Ryan will continue to lead Remix development while hopefully having a team of focused engineers working with them. Since Shopify really believes in and wants to use the tech, it's great that they'll be able to pay engineers to continue to develop it in the open. I believe Remix also was VC funded…

happy noises from JJ who led their seed https://twitter.com/josephjacks_/status/1587136935981481984?...

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by emadabdulrahim » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 8:34 PM UTC

pokpokpok wrote: post #77

emadabdulrahim wrote: post #38

This is huge. Remix is my favorite React framework at the moment. It is by far the best abstraction I've seen of client/server model. Their API abstraction layer is just right, working with native browser and nodejs APIs, not obscure them. Typescript support is amazing. I'd bet my money on Remix model and direction vs Nextjs

could you characterize the difference you see between them? (to someone more familiar with nextjs?)

High-level summary of Remix data model:https://remix.run/blog/remix-data-flow

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by matthewcford » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 8:35 PM UTC

jplhomer wrote: post #33

gabrielizaias wrote: post #5

Interesting move by Shopify, given that they have Hydrogen [0]. I was half expecting Hydrogen to become its own all-purpose framework, but alas, they seem to plan for both to co-exist. > While Hydrogen is focused on commerce, Remix is focused lower in the stack, and will continue to be a general web solution that scales from content through commerce and all the way to apps. Shopify will use Remix across many projects…

We're working on a new version of Hydrogen which is powered by Remix: https://hydrogen.shopify.dev/roadmap/ It's nice to not have to build two meta-frameworks (along with docs and support) so Hydrogen can focus on commerce things.

Will there be beta releases before Feb? I'm looking to kick off some headless shopify projects soon - and ideally I don't have to rewrite them in a few months time.

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by davnicwil » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 8:50 PM UTC

savanaly wrote: post #125

ornornor wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait what? We have frameworks for frameworks now? What?? How did we get there :(

I think React is better described as a library than a framework. Frameworks for libraries sounds entirely reasonable to me.

not only reasonable but an inevitable conclusion I'd argue.

I've been waiting for the current crop of React frameworks (of which Remix is my current favourite but they all bring cool thing to the table) to appear since the early days of using it - it was only a matter of time.

First the library, then the patterns, then the ecosystem of add ons implementing those patterns, then the projects that scaffold sensible sets of those together for you along with a build setup etc, and finally... the all in one framework that does it all out the box.

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by tpmx » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 8:52 PM UTC

emadabdulrahim wrote: post #38

This is huge. Remix is my favorite React framework at the moment. It is by far the best abstraction I've seen of client/server model. Their API abstraction layer is just right, working with native browser and nodejs APIs, not obscure them. Typescript support is amazing. I'd bet my money on Remix model and direction vs Nextjs

> This is huge. Remix is my favorite React framework at the moment.

I suppose this means it's temporarily huge.

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by didip » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 8:54 PM UTC

ornornor wrote: post #120

emadabdulrahim wrote: post #38

This is huge. Remix is my favorite React framework at the moment. It is by far the best abstraction I've seen of client/server model. Their API abstraction layer is just right, working with native browser and nodejs APIs, not obscure them. Typescript support is amazing. I'd bet my money on Remix model and direction vs Nextjs

Wait what? We have frameworks for frameworks now? What?? How did we get there :(

Everyone told me that Javascript ecosystem is maturing and slowing down.

Everyone told me to just consider either React or Vue.

But that doesn't seem to be the case.

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by dheera » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 8:56 PM UTC

How do you acquire a framework? Why not just use it?

It's not like there are physicists trying to acquire Dirac notation.

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by tr1ll10nb1ll » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 8:57 PM UTC

ornornor wrote: post #120

emadabdulrahim wrote: post #38

This is huge. Remix is my favorite React framework at the moment. It is by far the best abstraction I've seen of client/server model. Their API abstraction layer is just right, working with native browser and nodejs APIs, not obscure them. Typescript support is amazing. I'd bet my money on Remix model and direction vs Nextjs

Wait what? We have frameworks for frameworks now? What?? How did we get there :(

There's nothing wrong about that. Your existing options remain and WILL remain. The new options just feel more productive (but that's subjective too).

If you prefer writing separate backend code:

- You can use any backend with Next.js/Remix if you want to. (https://remix.run/docs/en/v1/guides/bff)

- You don't have to use either of those for your front-end in the first place. You can just use React with Vite.

Thinking about SSR/SSG? You can use the Vite SSR plugin (does serverless SSR really well too)

If you prefer having your server and client coupled and want to go in with the new options (using React as your library):

- Use Next.js/Remix for everything. You can then choose parts of your architecture individually (for instance Prisma as ORM, TRPC/Blitz's RPC model as your API model (or Remix's action-loader pattern), etc.)

These are just two options and probably all you'll need to know to be productive unless you WANT to know more in which case you'll inevitably do your own research.

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by super256 » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 8:57 PM UTC

savanaly wrote: post #125

ornornor wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait what? We have frameworks for frameworks now? What?? How did we get there :(

I think React is better described as a library than a framework. Frameworks for libraries sounds entirely reasonable to me.

React does indeed describe itself as a library.

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by super256 » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 8:58 PM UTC

PKop wrote: post #31

super256 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone remembers that upon Remix' initial release, one had to buy a licence for 250 USD? https://web.archive.org/web/20201204025307/https://remix.run...

So what? This is akin to crowdfunding, or patronage. Many people were happy to have early access while supporting the project.

I just wanted to post this here because I think it's an interesting piece of trivia.