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Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by zdragnar »

danaris wrote: post #104
zdragnar wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is also a proprietary connector, which contributes to waste by virtue of not being able to reuse cables from other devices. I can understand that they didn't want to have customers upset that a dodgy third party cable fried their expensive Apple equipment, but the transition to USB-C can't come soon enough IMHO.

It is a proprietary connector developed at a time when proprietary connectors were still common, and the non-proprietary options (mini-USB and micro-USB) were much lower bandwidth, much more fragile, and still had the issue of "which way up do I plug it in??" This meme that Apple loves to create bags and bags of arbitrary proprietary cables needs to just die. It's 100% FUD.

I'm not saying that there weren't non-proprietary connectors, or that mini usb was better.

I'm saying that USB-C is better, and has been the better option for quite some time.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by simplotek »

runjake wrote: post #89
dainiusse wrote: post #75

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I explain it simply - they will haste to ger rid of all Intel laptops and don't have to maintain x86 version of macOS. That is them becoming evil.

Evil is subjective. 1. Apple has been doing this for years and years. At this point, it shouldn't be a surprise. 2. It reduces legacy cruft. The alternative is you get to keep 20-30 year old legacy cruft, as with Windows. I'm not saying what Microsoft does is necessarily bad, just different. 3. The Intel laptops don't stop running[a] -- and if history is any indication, will still receive critical security patches. 4…

> It reduces legacy cruft.

What you chose to describe as "legacy cruft" is actually the luxury laptop people spent over $2K close 6 or 7 years ago.

> The alternative is you get to keep 20-30 year old legacy cruft, as with Windows.

It's not a choice between bricking perfectly good computers after 6 years or maintaining them for 30 years.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by bryanlarsen »

Suzuran wrote: post #130
bryanlarsen wrote: post #126

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What's the chicken and what's the egg? A large part of the reason that Linux is popular in embedded is because it has a long support period.

My point was that the support for 486 was being kept due to its embedded applications and not so someone with a 486-based desktop PC can expect to build a modern distribution on it and achieve full functionality equivalent to a modern machine.

Not all comment replies are disagreements.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by wellthisisgreat »

TwoNineA wrote: post #23

Had to flush com.apple.Spotlight.plist file to get Spotlight working properly. After upgrade, Spotlight couldn't find 3d party apps that were installed already. Also, stage manager is a UI/UX nightmare, I will stick to Rectangle app.

How is Rectangle better than BetterSnapTool?

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by FireBeyond »

alwillis wrote: post #124
fl0id wrote: post #40

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Because you won't get security updates after 2 years or so.

Apple released a security update for iOS 12 a couple of months ago for devices going back to 2013’s iPhone 5s [1]. [1]: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213428

Great. What portion of apps would you say still run on iOS 12? Because most of the top 10... don't.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by FireBeyond »

gw99 wrote: post #71
kossTKR wrote: post #26

Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

I think they're mostly trying to kill off the old Intel Macs now. And any ARM devices that don't have Neural Engine. I expect the more modern Apple Silicon based ARM devices to have a longer support lifespan than older Macs.

Yup. I fear for my 2019 Mac Pro. Five digits of investment, and out of curiosity, I saw that Apple had reduced its trade-in "value" from $3,700 a few months ago to $1,100 now. Rather insulting, since they're still selling the same Mac Pro, and charging $3,000 for the RAM that's in this one alone.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by TwoNineA »

wellthisisgreat wrote: post #134
TwoNineA wrote: post #23

Had to flush com.apple.Spotlight.plist file to get Spotlight working properly. After upgrade, Spotlight couldn't find 3d party apps that were installed already. Also, stage manager is a UI/UX nightmare, I will stick to Rectangle app.

How is Rectangle better than BetterSnapTool?

Never tried BetterSnapTool, from screenshots it looks very similar.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by midislack »

ergonaught wrote: post #38
ChildOfChaos wrote: post #31

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Yeah, I am a little disappointed that this is the first upgrade that I cannot get with my late 2015 iMac. I'd use the legacy patcher perhaps, but I don't see much on this new version that I would want, so i'd rather keep things offical for now, to avoid any issues. Yes, I get that this machine is 7 years old, but I cannot tell from using it, everything is extremely fast, I upspecced it when I bought it and maxed out…

I had every desire and intention of upgrading my desktop (late 2015 iMac) to the newer hardware, right up until they decided this hardware is somehow incompatible with the newest MacOS. They've basically just ended 20 years of Mac for me. Pity.

I hit the same issue back in the 10.4 > 10.5 upgrade days, my computer's OX911 Firewire controller chip just became unstable. No official acknowledgment from Apple, thousands of angry Apple Discussions posts.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by hbn »

slifin wrote: post #51
pohl wrote: post #43

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Seems like maybe a bigger cause of e-waste might be the mindset that a device immediately needs to go in a dumpster the day after some OS upgrade comes out that won't run on it.

As a software developer I don't recommend my friends or family put important information or sign in to any device that is running unmaintained OS software Because I assume they're exploitable from a security point of view after that point Of course no one follows that advice but what are we supposed to do?

They're pretty good for keeping "unsupported" devices up to date with security patches.

My iPad mini 2 from 2013 just got a security patch a few weeks ago even though it's stuck on iOS 12.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by hbn »

alwillis wrote: post #112
dainiusse wrote: post #75

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I explain it simply - they will haste to ger rid of all Intel laptops and don't have to maintain x86 version of macOS. That is them becoming evil.

don't have to maintain x86 version of macOS. Actually there isn’t an x86 version of the current macOS; it’s a single operating system that runs on multiple processor architectures. During the PowerPC to Intel transition back in the day, I could boot a PowerPC or Intel Mac from the same hard drive. The same is true today with Intel and ARM-based Macs. I have a 2017 Intel iMac running macOS Ventura but there’s plenty o…

> Apple is still selling the Mac Pro [1], which is Intel based.

I wouldn't take that as any kind of promise it's gonna be maintained by them for an acceptable amount of time.

Up until last month when they announced the new Apple Watch SE, their entry-level watch was the Series 3 which you could still purchase even though it didn't get updated to watchOS 9. Sometimes they just continue to offer a product because some people might still buy it.

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