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Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by nyanpasu64 »

fxtentacle wrote: post #50

Sorry Microsoft, you lost me with Windows 11. I'll wait until you release a worthy successor to Windows 10, just like when I skipped Vista.

Windows 10 (and perhaps 8) was the beginning of Windows as spyware and adware that exists to manipulate rather than serve the user (outside of past obscure edge cases like Windows's anti-piracy mechanisms and disabling debugging on audiodg.exe). Now we have forced Microsoft accounts at install time, gaslighting users for switching off Edge and sending your Edge browsing history to coupon clipping sites, telemetry in Windows and Visual Studio and every time you open a MSVC command prompt, Visual Studio phoning home your menu searched to the web for "cloud AI menu search results"...

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by nevi-me »

jstimpfle wrote: post #119
fxtentacle wrote: post #50

Sorry Microsoft, you lost me with Windows 11. I'll wait until you release a worthy successor to Windows 10, just like when I skipped Vista.

Is there a list of things that are worse with 11? I had it pushed on one of my less frequently used devices and so far all that has been annoying has been the Explorer context menu which hides "less used" items (some of which I frequently need, of course) behind a "More" entry.

I'd also be curious to know. I've found Win11 to mostly be a skin on top of 10.

Maybe I'm biased because I'm on the Insider Program, and I get changes incrementally instead of as a big release in 2 years

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Post by ArtWomb »

klodolph wrote: post #11

It makes sense. The Mac Mini is what you get if you want to make a Mac or iOS app, but you want to keep your Windows or Linux system for daily use.

I think I have to get one. To replace an obsolete HP Steam. I was gonna do the Mac Mini, but I don't think the M2 model is out yet. Just worry about Win ARM compatibility across remote desktop, citrix daas, etc ;)

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

throwaway44111 wrote: post #76
postalrat wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

32gb on an m2 is probably going to cost you around $3000. I don't think 32gb on m1 is even possible.

My mac studio with an Apple M1 Ultra has 64GB of unified memory.

Which probably cost you a bit more than $600.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by Tomte »

dihydro wrote: post #51
radicaldreamer wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, this is priced very similarly to the Mac Mini with M1 (soon to be updated to use an M2) and can already run Linux fairly well.

Mac Mini has no option for 32GB of RAM, and with 512GB of SSD storage is $899. How is that similar in price to $599?

There are two nines. Pretty similar, I'd say.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by smoldesu »

osigurdson wrote: post #127
blinkingled wrote: post #99

Microsoft's Apple envy continues - additionally hobbled by Qualcomm's indistinguished/2nd rate hardware and disinterested developers.

I’d like to be able to run Windows on mac M series.

Or full-featured Linux, for that matter.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by GeekyBear »

awill wrote: post #78

The difference here is that the M1 in the M1 mac mini is faster than Apple's phone SoC (the A16). The Qualcomm 8cx gen 3 (what a terrible name) in this machine is NOT faster than even Qualcomm's phone SoC (the 8 gen 1), let alone Apple's phone SoC. It's absurd to be selling a desktop PC that's weaker than a phone.

I think the point of this machine is to give Developers a test bed for apps they port to ARM Windows.

However, given that it took Microsoft more than a decade to decide to port their own Visual Studio to ARM Windows, I'm not sure why they think third parties are chomping at the bit.

If Microsoft wants to copy Apple, they need to copy the decision to immediately port all their first party software.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by petercooper »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #29
postalrat wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

32gb on an m2 is probably going to cost you around $3000. I don't think 32gb on m1 is even possible.

Sure - if you need all 32GB for development work, it is a great deal. But, with a processor slower than a midrange modern Intel laptop, good luck using it to its full extent without feeling quite slow. So slow you might almost prefer a 16GB M1 Mac mini with swap for the rest despite the VM. Plus, if you read Microsoft documentation on Windows on ARM so far, Microsoft doesn't actually expect you to use an IDE on these…

But, with a processor slower than a midrange modern Intel laptop, good luck using it to its full extent without feeling quite slow

I have little recent Windows development experience, but I wonder if Windows on native Arm gets the same sort of latency/lagginess reduction that going from Intel to Arm on macOS does? Even if the raw processing power is less, I would be happy with the tradeoff if Windows felt even snappier.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by taspeotis »

jstimpfle wrote: post #119
fxtentacle wrote: post #50

Sorry Microsoft, you lost me with Windows 11. I'll wait until you release a worthy successor to Windows 10, just like when I skipped Vista.

Is there a list of things that are worse with 11? I had it pushed on one of my less frequently used devices and so far all that has been annoying has been the Explorer context menu which hides "less used" items (some of which I frequently need, of course) behind a "More" entry.

Personally I find Windows 11 fine although the decision to make the start bar only icons instead of icon + text is a bit bizarre in today’s trend towards (ultra)wide monitors.
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