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Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by inferiorhuman »

cronix wrote: post #112
YoyoyoPCP wrote: post #84

San Francisco has its heart in the right place and is struggling to grapple with the reality that lax drug laws invites the wrong kind of people to the city.

So does basically legalizing theft for under $950, choosing not to prosecute "property crimes" and so-called bail reform where most people are just released back into society after arrest. All sound good until put into practice.

  So does basically legalizing theft for under $950
Yeah, no. Theft under $950 is still theft and it's still illegal. If you're whining about the felony threshold $950 puts it pretty much middle of the road compared to the other forty-nine states. Hell, the threshold in Texas is over $2,000 and has been that high since before Prop. 47 was passed. Find another boogeyman already.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by tchaffee »

Here's a good place to compare to other cities, if comparing is even a reasonable thing to do [1]. Sort by Total for Property Crime. Notably Albuquerque, Spokane, and Memphis have higher total property crime rates. But perhaps wouldn't make such an interesting headline for those in tech.

Also notable that Orlando, FL is high on the list. But Irvine, CA and Tampa, FL are at the bottom of the list.

Please also read the Criticisms sections before jumping to conclusions when making comparisons.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by andrepd »

YoyoyoPCP wrote: post #129
andrepd wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Fair enough, but I don't think I'm saying anything that hasn't already been pretty abundantly documented over the last several years.

That permissive drug enforcement policy increases crime? I never read any study to that effect, much the opposite.

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Post by colordrops »

javajosh wrote: post #116

I feel like only those who live in San Francisco should comment on this. It's easy to pass judgement from afar, but the situation is, like all situations, difficult to grasp for people who live there, the insiders, and impossible to grasp by anyone else. SF is an incredibly unique place with a unique history and can you really get it if you don't live there?

What aspect of the situation is so complex and unique that there is no parallel elsewhere so that others can't comprehend?

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by dpe82 »

cgb223 wrote: post #67
baby wrote: post #24

Reading this headline I thought to myself, this can't be possible. But then I remembered I got two packages stolen in two different neighborhood of the city, and during NYE someone broke the door of the backyard to probably see what they could steal there.

I thought the same thing then remembered that my car has been smash and grabbed not once, but twice

Ditto. First time I reported it but never heard anything back from the police. Second time I didn't even bother.

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Post by mc32 »

jacobolus wrote: post #123
mc32 wrote: post #119

SF is funny. If you complain about the crime, lots of long-time residents are loath to admit crime has gone up. "It's been like this since I can remember." "Born and raised fifth generation SFer, no, it's always been like this." Ideology gets the best of people and they don't want to believe. Sure, there have been nadirs before, the 80's after all industry left and only some financial services were left downtown --th…

The police are no more responsive (if anything, less) after the progressive DA was recalled. You can’t blame the DA or the voters for this one.

The situation is not unlike steering a barge. It takes time, lots of time for your actions to manifest (and of course you can overcorrect, or undercorrect as you don't see immediate effect).

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Post by cft »

YoyoyoPCP wrote: post #121
cronix wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So does basically legalizing theft for under $950, choosing not to prosecute "property crimes" and so-called bail reform where most people are just released back into society after arrest. All sound good until put into practice.

Correct. Absolutely devastating to small business owners. I've heard stories that SF is so inundated with car theft that it has created a portal that automatically approves car break in claims for insurance.

I ran a bootstrapped software company in SF till i got the hell out. Here's a video i made in my building https://youtu.be/xRjuii_jtgM

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by mbgerring »

mc32 wrote: post #119

SF is funny. If you complain about the crime, lots of long-time residents are loath to admit crime has gone up. "It's been like this since I can remember." "Born and raised fifth generation SFer, no, it's always been like this." Ideology gets the best of people and they don't want to believe. Sure, there have been nadirs before, the 80's after all industry left and only some financial services were left downtown --th…

The Mayor of San Francisco appointed a tough-on-crime prosecutor who has spoken in public in favor of reviving failed policies like the war on drugs, purged employees hired by her progressive predecessor, and canceled investigations into police misconduct. You already have the most reactionary, cuff-em-and-stuff-em prosecutor you’re likely to get in San Francisco. So if crime is still a problem, you’re going to have to come up with a new excuse.

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Post by seibelj »

taeric wrote: post #125

Without comparing to other high density cities for basic theft, I don't really find this that useful. :( To wit, in Seattle we had our car broken into once. We also had a habit of forgetting the car keys /on top of the car/, such that we would have said we live in a very very safe place. Despite the time the car was broken into. When I lived in Atlanta, the general practice was not to lock your car, so that they woul…

I live in Boston, which is a similar size and population to SF, and it's extremely safe. There is some crime but even something minor like porch pirates are pretty much not a thing. There is a skid row named "Mass and Cass" which has had HBO documentaries made about it, but there are a lot of protests from citizens advocating to clean it up.

At some point you need the police to arrest all these people and throw them in jail. Even a few weeks behind bars can drastically improve behavior among a population used to zero consequences for theft and violence.

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