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Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by joecot »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #125
chinchilla2020 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that this is a middle school level analysis, but I've seen it a couple times in practice during my career. 1. In the dating scene, I have heard women remark that it was a red flag (Android users are stereotypically poor... despite a large number of techies using Android) 2. A manager at my old company was advised to get an iphone for communication with VCs. One of our old leaders had heard commentary from a V…

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It has nothing to do with "toxic femininity", it's classism. And no one's "banning" you from using this term, you're just getting downvoted for your performative "Cancel Culture" signalling.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by mrep »

chinchilla2020 wrote: post #118
oneplane wrote: post #39

This seems to be mostly a US American thing, mainly because of the same reasons BBM was a thing: lots of chats over SMS used to be a thing, and then chats over iMessage, which like BBM, you can only join if you have a device from a specific vendor. That means that you can only be in a special social circle if you buy the same stuff. That won't change because of some colours, because it's not the colours causing the t…

I agree that this is a middle school level analysis, but I've seen it a couple times in practice during my career. 1. In the dating scene, I have heard women remark that it was a red flag (Android users are stereotypically poor... despite a large number of techies using Android) 2. A manager at my old company was advised to get an iphone for communication with VCs. One of our old leaders had heard commentary from a V…

I've legit had 1 girl say "I don't know about these green bubbles" after we started texting...

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by snowwrestler »

pkulak wrote: post #110
CharlesW wrote: post #103

I have a problem with the thesis statement that people think green bubbles are "gross", which uncritically parrots Google's "Get the Message" PR campaign. I know that iPhone-using teens don't care about this in SoCal, the virtue signalling capital of the world. Their group chats with friends are all green, so if anything's "gross" it's the blue bubbles of their parental conversations. In the meantime, RCS is missing…

> which uncritically parrots Google "Get the Message" PR campaign. You're misunderstanding the order of events here. "I don't talk to green bubbles" has been a thing for at least five years now, which Google has very recently used in an ad campaign.

Have you ever actually used Messages? “I don’t talk to green bubbles” can’t be a thing because your own messages are the ones that are blue or green.

The bubbles for everyone else (the people you are talking to) are always all the same color: dark grey.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by adrr »

jeremy0x4a wrote: post #56

Whenever I see this iMessage/SMS, blue/green topic come up I descend into an internal debate that, as I get older, I am becoming increasingly familiar with. The debate is that one where I am forced to reconcile whether I am too far removed from popular culture to see how this is a real issue versus accepting that the issue is entirely contrived.

I would love to see a survey of mobile phone users to see if this matters to them. I’ll take a guess it doesn’t matter because Google would be flaunting the results.

As for negative effects on kids. There’s more than just phones. Clothes, cars, vacations, social media posts, tutoring, sports. Maybe we should put everyone in uniforms, don’t allow kids drive to school, ban sports, and forbid them from talking about their vacations. And everyone was equal.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by alistairSH »

nottorp wrote: post #63
oneplane wrote: post #39

This seems to be mostly a US American thing, mainly because of the same reasons BBM was a thing: lots of chats over SMS used to be a thing, and then chats over iMessage, which like BBM, you can only join if you have a device from a specific vendor. That means that you can only be in a special social circle if you buy the same stuff. That won't change because of some colours, because it's not the colours causing the t…

Yeah, no one uses plain sms messages across the pond any more. And sms group chats? I only know about sms group chats from US posters. You can just assume everyone has Whatsapp here, and just message them over that.

How do you message when you don't have wifi/data? I can SMS from more remote places than I can any internet-based service.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by CharlesW »

pkulak wrote: post #110
CharlesW wrote: post #103

I have a problem with the thesis statement that people think green bubbles are "gross", which uncritically parrots Google's "Get the Message" PR campaign. I know that iPhone-using teens don't care about this in SoCal, the virtue signalling capital of the world. Their group chats with friends are all green, so if anything's "gross" it's the blue bubbles of their parental conversations. In the meantime, RCS is missing…

> which uncritically parrots Google "Get the Message" PR campaign. You're misunderstanding the order of events here. "I don't talk to green bubbles" has been a thing for at least five years now, which Google has very recently used in an ad campaign.

> "I don't talk to green bubbles" has been a thing for at least five years now…

Almost always as a joke. And if you search HN, nearly all conversations about this PR-manufactured "green bubbles" outrage have happened since the launch of Google's campaign.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by vachina »

greenbub1 wrote: post #98
oneplane wrote: post #39

This seems to be mostly a US American thing, mainly because of the same reasons BBM was a thing: lots of chats over SMS used to be a thing, and then chats over iMessage, which like BBM, you can only join if you have a device from a specific vendor. That means that you can only be in a special social circle if you buy the same stuff. That won't change because of some colours, because it's not the colours causing the t…

> This deep integration with colours and status symbols does remain in specific areas like middle school where it is still seen as important to try to project wealth. Are the kids wrong? When I look at my app’s stats, Android users are worse in every way. More expensive to develop for, pay less or none at all, and their halo effect is sometimes negative: they might word-of-mouth my app to more Android users instead o…

> pay less or none at all

Maybe because there is always a free alternative that is better than yours.

Whereas iOS users only has the App Store, and if they don’t pay they don’t get app.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by ar_lan »

brokenkebab2 wrote: post #127
taylodl wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using Facebook to do messaging? No thanks! Sure, when communicating with international friends I use WhatsApp because that appears to be what the rest of the world uses, but here in the States? No. We don't trust Zuckerberg. And yes, iMessage group chats are very much a thing here in the States and SMS group chats in general. And also yes, there's always that techie friend with an Android and makes your whole convers…

I didn't like FB well before it became fashionable, but I don't understand your logic here: what is that exactly that you can't entrust WhatsApp to send, but you can trust Apple, or your mobile carrier?

I'm not really answering your question, but in the States, there is a lot more trust placed in Apple over Facebook. This isn't that surprising - Apple has a much stauncher stance on privacy than alternatives.

I wish Signal would be more popular, but it's just not. I can't really ask new people I meet to communicate over Signal because it's a burden to get others to install some new application.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by mdtusz »

browningstreet wrote: post #122
idk1 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's certainly an issue with a lot of teenagers. Speaking broadly, social status and brands say a lot at that age, and you could miss out on friends or social occasions based on it. As an adult of course the green/blue bubbles simply don't matter, we grow up and realise that, but it certainly is a significant issue if it's affecting young peoples lives. So I'd say it's somewhere inbetween what you descibe, perhaps a…

> I have heard of people saying they won't date green or blue bubble people But how many times, really? It's like the missing iPhone headphone jack. The press and bloggers hammered away at it for years, making sure it was an ongoing meme in all coverage, but... do people really care? Some people, sure.. but enough for the coverage? Same with bubbles.

Sidebar, but I care about the headphone jack issue and am still annoyed by it.

Bluetooth headphones just aren't very good, and we've all gotten in the habit of buying a new pair every few years because they either break, get lost, are unsupported, or have bad batteries.

I previously had the same pair of IEMs for almost a decade that had better sound quality, replaceable cables and eartips, and didn't ever run out of battery. Never did I complain about the cables being annoying or in the way, and never did I complain about the presence of the headphone jack, or the Bluetooth chip onboard.

Removing headphone jacks was a horrible misstep in my opinion and we're stuck with the path dependency it's created now. It's probably not long before we have laptops that omit 3.5mm audio jacks as well.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by bmicraft »

alistairSH wrote: post #135
nottorp wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, no one uses plain sms messages across the pond any more. And sms group chats? I only know about sms group chats from US posters. You can just assume everyone has Whatsapp here, and just message them over that.

How do you message when you don't have wifi/data? I can SMS from more remote places than I can any internet-based service.

I've never been anywhere where I legitimately had signal but no data. When it seems to be connected buy isn't, sms mostly also won't go though. I also think there are less "remote" places in europe in general.
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