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Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by TillE »

dmitriid wrote: post #37
pjmlp wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is why one has the IT department configuring development images. I remeber there was a blog post from JetBrains where they complain about VSCode taking over InteliJ market, by indirectly asserting they don't understand why VSCode adoption was rising. Surprise surprise, a couple of months later Fleet was announced.

I'd say they still don't understand why VSCode adoption is rising. There are two reasons: - People don't know better (yes, they really don't) - Language server allowed languages with abysmal tools to finally have some semblance of an IDE None of us know the future, but in my opinion Fleet is a mistake: - It tries to fight VSCode at VSCode's turf (an editor with primitive IDE functionality) - while trying to be a test…

> Language server allowed languages with abysmal tools to finally have some semblance of an IDE

Oh yeah, this is absolutely true. If VS Code is the de facto standard for your language, it's probably a decent experience. I use it for 6502 assembly.

But I see people talking up VS Code over Visual Studio for C++ or C#, which I find completely baffling.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by ta988 »

ksec wrote: post #94
__warlord__ wrote: post #73

I installed this 30 min ago. 1. My M1 temp went from 28c to 60c 2. CPU utilization to 103%? 3. It's using 3.29Gb of RAM And it hasn't changed. With a single python project with 3k lines of code. VSCode sits at 280Mb and CPU temp around 28c. Edit: Vim + SpaceVim sitting at 17Mb :)

I think, correct me if I am wrong, Fleet is written in Kotlin, hence running on top of JVM. ( I am assuming Kotlin Native not being used yet ) While I dont think VSCode is fast and lean when compared to Sublime or other Native Editor. It is well optimised. I do wonder if Fleet could catch up or even exceed VSC in the performance / resources usage department.

It totally could, the JVM is really fast. JS interpreters are fast too these days. So I don't expect much difference between the two.

One department where the JVM may win is latency (the new GCs are incredibly fast so no impact there) for typing to display.

Other than that I don't expect much difference.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by whycombagator »

ethanbond wrote: post #80
whycombagator wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure but WebStorm is targeted solely/mainly at JavaScript development. What if my employer has N repos and several other languages, and JavaScript is just one of those. VSCode allows me to stay with the same interface across multiple different repos. Yes, if I’m doing Ruby or Java or C# I might choose a _different_ IDE for certain tasks in that language. But with a few plugins you can get a reasonably good generalist…

It's not. At least as far as I can tell, the different Jetbrains IDEs are more like configurations or flavors of the same underlying thing. You can do most things in most of their IDEs. You should try paying for an IDE. VSCode is great but if you're an engineer getting paid anywhere close to a Silicon Valley wage (or you can expense devtools), you deserve better :)

> It’s not.

From the WebStorm page on JetBrains:

> WebStorm The smartest JavaScript IDE WebStorm is an integrated development environment for JavaScript and related technologies. Like other JetBrains IDEs, it makes your development experience more enjoyable, automating routine work and helping you handle complex tasks with ease.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by whycombagator »

frob wrote: post #85
whycombagator wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure but WebStorm is targeted solely/mainly at JavaScript development. What if my employer has N repos and several other languages, and JavaScript is just one of those. VSCode allows me to stay with the same interface across multiple different repos. Yes, if I’m doing Ruby or Java or C# I might choose a _different_ IDE for certain tasks in that language. But with a few plugins you can get a reasonably good generalist…

I officially have a copy of pycharm and not webstorm. I use it to maintain both a python repo and a typescript repo. You can install language support for almost every official jetbrains language into basically any jetbrains editor. The only differences I have found are the default plug-ins and the app icon.

Interesting, I didn’t know that but it makes sense to me

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by cpctheman »

Unfortunately it doesn’t look like this supports remote development (at least from what I can tell poking around their site).

Until Gateway is performant & stable enough to use, I’m sticking with VSCode. It’s a shame because I prefer IntelliJ for Java development, but lacking remote development stability is a deal breaker.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by ta988 »

borissk wrote: post #127
MikhailVink wrote: post #116

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JetBrains employee here, and I can clarify the point about “Requires login and periodic connection to JetBrains servers to verify the project”. If you are using Fleet in a Free (hobby) mode, we are verifying that the project comply with one of three criteria: 1. your project is local (no Git or Git Remote). 2. your project is public on GitHub. 3. your project is private but has less than 3 committers. In this case, w…

[off topic] Are you guys affected by the situation in Russia, or have all JetBrains employees left the country already?

They have stated their position really clearly (and much more clearly than most companies): https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2022/03/11/jetbrains-stateme...

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by bogwog »

nicce wrote: post #109
__warlord__ wrote: post #73

I installed this 30 min ago. 1. My M1 temp went from 28c to 60c 2. CPU utilization to 103%? 3. It's using 3.29Gb of RAM And it hasn't changed. With a single python project with 3k lines of code. VSCode sits at 280Mb and CPU temp around 28c. Edit: Vim + SpaceVim sitting at 17Mb :)

On my Linux, it barely consumes anything and opened 300k line code without a problem when VSCode crashed instead. I guess the OS matters.

Linux here, opened a folder with less than 3k loc in all files combined. It is currently in the background (smart mode is disabled), FF in the foreground. KDE system monitor is reporting 3%-5% CPU usage and 946,272K of memory usage. Also, if I move the window, my mouse becomes sluggish for about a second afterwards.

By comparison, the exact same folder open in Sublime is using 789,236K of memory (most of which is likely cached from the indexer + LSP plugin which has accumulated over the past few days), and no CPU usage.

Obviously this is an early preview, so it's not a fair comparison at all. I'm really excited for this though, as it's certainly very promising right now.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by ta988 »

rubyist5eva wrote: post #81
whycombagator wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure but WebStorm is targeted solely/mainly at JavaScript development. What if my employer has N repos and several other languages, and JavaScript is just one of those. VSCode allows me to stay with the same interface across multiple different repos. Yes, if I’m doing Ruby or Java or C# I might choose a _different_ IDE for certain tasks in that language. But with a few plugins you can get a reasonably good generalist…

IntelliJ Ultimate lets you install all of the different language toolkits into one IDE via plugins.

Except C++.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by hbn »

__warlord__ wrote: post #73

I installed this 30 min ago. 1. My M1 temp went from 28c to 60c 2. CPU utilization to 103%? 3. It's using 3.29Gb of RAM And it hasn't changed. With a single python project with 3k lines of code. VSCode sits at 280Mb and CPU temp around 28c. Edit: Vim + SpaceVim sitting at 17Mb :)

I opened a project with about 230k lines of Java code on my Intel Mac, it's idling around 800MB of real memory. Though I don't have Smart Mode on
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