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Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

#131
Reading this conversation reminded me of something Steve Jobs once said:

"Everything around you that you call life was made up by people that were no smarter than you and you can change it, you can influence it, you can build your own things that other people can use. Once you learn that, you'll never be the same again"

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

#132
post #58

Is he talking about ActivityPub[1, 2] and the Fediverse[3]? Just look at Mastodon[4, 5] if you're looking for something like twitter without the centralization and the corporate greed. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub [2] https://activitypub.rocks [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software) [5] https://joinmastodon.org/servers

It frustrates me that Jack seems to have genuine interest in this topic but seems to be totally averse to discussing Mastodon. It's hard to believe he's unaware of Mastodon, so we have to believe he thinks it's not the solution for some reason. But how could it not be? Why doesn't he just use his big name and significant influence to throw his weight behind Twitter's most successful open protocol competitor if he rea…

He may not be clear of Twitter enough to do something like this. I’m wondering if a public action like that coukd open him up to some legal jeopardy. Just a guess.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

#134
post #58

Is he talking about ActivityPub[1, 2] and the Fediverse[3]? Just look at Mastodon[4, 5] if you're looking for something like twitter without the centralization and the corporate greed. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub [2] https://activitypub.rocks [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software) [5] https://joinmastodon.org/servers

Can someone invite me to mastodon.technology? Email on my profile.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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post #2

For someone invested in decentralized protocols, it just sounds like people trying to reinvent the wheel. "let’s make it decentralized" "wow, very cool idea". Those guys are business guys but they have no idea what they are talking about. They don’t know the first bit about technical decentralization, about prior art, about the politics involved. They are so close of realizing that their companies are Frankenstein mo…

When you hear Musk being interviewed you'd certainly have to believe otherwise, he definitely claims he is the brains behind a lot of innovation.

That's because he is the brains behind a lot of innovation. If you're looking for companies which had plenty of technical talent but no one of his calibre providing a coherent and technically sound vision, there's a whole graveyard of e.g. private space companies out there, and a hospice full of ones that will inevitably end up in the ground soon.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

#136
post #122

Decentralization has never worked in human history beyond hunter gatherers. It’s continually amazing to me that people listen to people like Musk and Dorsey as if they have a clue they know what they’re talking about. You can tell they have full confidence that they do, trapped in their bubble of fame.

HTTP is decentralized. That’s actually worked out really well I think, no sarcasm intended.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

#137

I have to admit this is a bit surprising from Musk. I was pretty firmly of the theory that his real motive re Twitter was basically narcissism, and I'm still not sure that's wrong. I note he's not agreeing strongly with Dorsey, with the strongest phrase being "I'd like to help if I can". And I still think he would be better off using any money he might have spent buying Twitter on funding a handful of open source com…

Narcissists can get caught up in their own narcissism. It clouds everything.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

#138
post #58

Is he talking about ActivityPub[1, 2] and the Fediverse[3]? Just look at Mastodon[4, 5] if you're looking for something like twitter without the centralization and the corporate greed. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub [2] https://activitypub.rocks [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software) [5] https://joinmastodon.org/servers

It frustrates me that Jack seems to have genuine interest in this topic but seems to be totally averse to discussing Mastodon. It's hard to believe he's unaware of Mastodon, so we have to believe he thinks it's not the solution for some reason. But how could it not be? Why doesn't he just use his big name and significant influence to throw his weight behind Twitter's most successful open protocol competitor if he rea…

At least the Blue Sky stuff he pushed has been very clearly on a crypto/web3 focus.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

#139
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to me that once your middle management is infested with the wrong kind of non-tech people (because you couldn't resist "growing" forever), you don't stand a chance anymore. To me it seems this is what happened to Larry & Sergey, too.

> It seems to me that once your middle management is infested with non-tech people (because you couldn't resist "growing" forever), you don't stand a chance anymore. I fixed a redundancy for you. Otherwise, spot on, and if I had one of those vinyl printers my wife uses to put things like “Home is where your heart is” on the wall, I’d print this, and hang it secretly on the bathroom walls at work. I’m experiencing thi…

Flat management hasn't really worked well for Valve. With no formal power structures they seem to have just formed informal power structures which aren't necessairly pushing the company forward...

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

#140

I have to admit this is a bit surprising from Musk. I was pretty firmly of the theory that his real motive re Twitter was basically narcissism, and I'm still not sure that's wrong. I note he's not agreeing strongly with Dorsey, with the strongest phrase being "I'd like to help if I can". And I still think he would be better off using any money he might have spent buying Twitter on funding a handful of open source com…

There is no solution for fixing web communication that doesn't involve uploading your ID every time you post something. The internet was, is and always will be a cesspool. It comes with anonimity and plausible deniability.

Ironic that you write this comment on hacker news
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