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Re: Every Fucking Bootstrap Website Ever (2019)

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Post by Ferret7446 » Sat, Oct 01, 2022, 3:12 AM UTC

socialismisok wrote: post #116

systemvoltage wrote: post #114

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I am not convinced. It does a far better job of organizing information in my opinion. Clear, concise, zero bullshit.

Ok. I'm sorry you aren't convinced. Here are some resources to educate yourself: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/visual-hierarchy-ux-definit... https://xd.adobe.com/ideas/process/information-architecture/... https://uxplanet.org/visual-hierarchy-and-ux-design-a-guide-... https://www.interaction-design.org/literature/topics/visual-... https://guides.lib.wayne.edu/iaux It's a field of study that has research to back i…

None of those back up your assertions about the linked website, which has very clear information hierarchy. Category nav links at the top. Key topic links in a list and sublists (how's that for hierarchy?). The information hierarchy is easy to see and navigate, much unlike modern websites which mislead the reader with a lot of irrelevant images and layouts.

Re: Every Fucking Bootstrap Website Ever (2019)

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Post by socialismisok » Sat, Oct 01, 2022, 3:29 AM UTC

Ferret7446 wrote: post #131

socialismisok wrote: post #116

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Ok. I'm sorry you aren't convinced. Here are some resources to educate yourself: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/visual-hierarchy-ux-definit... https://xd.adobe.com/ideas/process/information-architecture/... https://uxplanet.org/visual-hierarchy-and-ux-design-a-guide-... https://www.interaction-design.org/literature/topics/visual-... https://guides.lib.wayne.edu/iaux It's a field of study that has research to back i…

None of those back up your assertions about the linked website, which has very clear information hierarchy. Category nav links at the top. Key topic links in a list and sublists (how's that for hierarchy?). The information hierarchy is easy to see and navigate, much unlike modern websites which mislead the reader with a lot of irrelevant images and layouts.

The limited site is like 4 blobs of text with equal weight. Yes, it has a nav bar, but it's not at all trying to emphasize the key takeaways.

Re: Every Fucking Bootstrap Website Ever (2019)

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Post by socialismisok » Sat, Oct 01, 2022, 3:40 AM UTC

systemvoltage wrote: post #128

socialismisok wrote: post #116

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Ok. I'm sorry you aren't convinced. Here are some resources to educate yourself: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/visual-hierarchy-ux-definit... https://xd.adobe.com/ideas/process/information-architecture/... https://uxplanet.org/visual-hierarchy-and-ux-design-a-guide-... https://www.interaction-design.org/literature/topics/visual-... https://guides.lib.wayne.edu/iaux It's a field of study that has research to back i…

Most of the UX studies are subjectivism dressed as objectivism. The entire field is like nutrition or fitness, 90% of it is bogus and made up. None of these studies have proper controlled experiments while still trying to appear as authoritative. No one takes a step back and realize that physical books are an interface and so is your kitchen. Photons hitting your eyeballs have no clue if it came from a computer monit…

Here's five studies:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?&q=Djamasbi%2C%20S.%2C%20...

https://ourapps.princeton.edu/uploads/190805104123-A-3176.pd...

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.87...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/book/9780124081383/eye-trackin...

I'm sorry, you just don't know what you are talking about. This is a widely studied area in human computer interaction both academically and informally.

Re: Every Fucking Bootstrap Website Ever (2019)

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Post by systemvoltage » Sat, Oct 01, 2022, 9:50 AM UTC

socialismisok wrote: post #133

systemvoltage wrote: post #128

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Most of the UX studies are subjectivism dressed as objectivism. The entire field is like nutrition or fitness, 90% of it is bogus and made up. None of these studies have proper controlled experiments while still trying to appear as authoritative. No one takes a step back and realize that physical books are an interface and so is your kitchen. Photons hitting your eyeballs have no clue if it came from a computer monit…

Here's five studies: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?&q=Djamasbi%2C%20S.%2C%20... https://scholar.google.com/scholar?&q=Djamasbi%2C%20S.%2C%20... https://ourapps.princeton.edu/uploads/190805104123-A-3176.pd... https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.87... https://www.sciencedirect.com/book/9780124081383/eye-trackin... I'm sorry, you just don't know what you are talking about. This is a widely stu…

I don't understand the infatuation with obscure irrelevant studies to make a point. None of these are remotely relevant to the page in question. Linking to sources isn't a way to escape basic common sense scrunity.

Re: Every Fucking Bootstrap Website Ever (2019)

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Post by socialismisok » Sat, Oct 01, 2022, 2:49 PM UTC

systemvoltage wrote: post #134

socialismisok wrote: post #133

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Here's five studies: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?&q=Djamasbi%2C%20S.%2C%20... https://scholar.google.com/scholar?&q=Djamasbi%2C%20S.%2C%20... https://ourapps.princeton.edu/uploads/190805104123-A-3176.pd... https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.87... https://www.sciencedirect.com/book/9780124081383/eye-trackin... I'm sorry, you just don't know what you are talking about. This is a widely stu…

I don't understand the infatuation with obscure irrelevant studies to make a point. None of these are remotely relevant to the page in question. Linking to sources isn't a way to escape basic common sense scrunity.

Basic common sense says the site has poor visual hierarchy. These links in the past several posts have been to highlight that the common sense understanding is that it has poor visual hierarchy.

The basic scrutiny agrees with me, and the sources are to help provide both subjective and objective reference that shows that, yes, the common person would prefer a more structured layout.

Re: Every Fucking Bootstrap Website Ever (2019)

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Post by mid-kid » Sat, Oct 01, 2022, 4:42 PM UTC

the_lonely_road wrote: post #96

mid-kid wrote: post #81

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A supermarket isn't designed to sell you on a product.

They are literally designed to make you buy products. The milk in the back corner is the most famous example so that you have to pass by as much product as possible to get it and have less chance of not impulse buying. End caps…all the candy right next to the checkout lane, etc.

I guess I worded it incorrectly. My point was that it's two completely different ways of selling you things. Supermarkets use all these techniques to subconsciously make you buy more things, but they rarely try to sell you a singular product.

Product websites actively try to distinguish themselves, to make you feel that the product is unique and convince you it'll make your life better. Having the same style of website for every product ever feels like something that'd actively go against the goal of the website. After all, if two things look the same, why would I pick one over the other?