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Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by tokai »

988747 wrote: post #121
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #86

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WHy would putin deny that? He said he'll do that more than once: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/putin-blames-germany... Putin wants the pipelines open, because europe knows that the minute they sit down and reach a deal with russia, the valves get open, europe gets the gas. Now europe is fucked, and even if local people protest due to cold, sitting down with putin won't bring back enough gas, so there is les…

Those things do not take long to fix. In fact that's exactly what Putin needs right now: an excuse to stop the gas flow for a few weeks, until the pipeline is repaired. Then of course there will be some time until they test it, and then some bureaucrat in Moscow needs to sign off the certification and allow resuming pumping - which allows Putin to drag this out for as long as he needs.

The flow was already stopped before this. So your analysis does not line up with reality.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by Gare »

LatteLazy wrote: post #106
Gare wrote: post #53

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I doubt that Chinese submarine could enter Baltic sea without being detected.

Isn't the whole point of subs is that they can go almost anywhere undetected, Chinese or otherwise? Hence all the fuss about Russian subs (possibly) entering Swedish waters over the last few decades, but no one being sure if it happened or whether the sub in question was actually Russian... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_submarine_incidents#Af... Though I doubt there is any foul play here at all...

Almost anywhere, yes. But there are only three narrow, shallow straits connecting Baltic sea to the North sea, all under NATO control.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by cassianoleal »

aa-jv wrote: post #115
bdg wrote: post #96

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Feb 7, 2022 > Biden: “If Russia invades -- that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine, again, then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2,” > Journalist: “But how will you do that exactly, since the project and control of the project is within Germany’s control?” > Biden: “We will, I promise you, we’ll be able to do it,” Biden replied. I don't want to play conspiracy guy, but the statement stuck in my…

Its not a conspiracy - the US has long wanted a reason/justification for turning off Germany's gas. I guess this is happening, now.

> A conspiracy (...) is a secret plan or agreement between persons (called conspirers or conspirators) for an unlawful or harmful purpose, (...) especially with political motivation, while keeping their agreement secret from the public or from other people affected by it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy

It is a conspiracy.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by roenxi »

tokai wrote: post #70
o_1 wrote: post #51

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so much for being covert, they aren't too great their job.

How would you blow up a pipeline without anyone noticing?

If there was a 1-month delay between the explosions, the people claiming it was coordinated would look a lot less credible. Particularly with the presence of large numbers of people with stakes in the outcome who will argue that the reality that makes them happiest is real.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

pseudo0 wrote: post #130
ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #47

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> Russian conquest of parts of the Ukraine. I encourage you to drop the definite article "the" when referring to Ukraine. https://theconversation.com/its-ukraine-not-the-ukraine-here...

What's more interesting about that article is the threat of social shaming at the end: > Like it or not, and intentionally or not, the language a person uses reflects their political positions, including their position on Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty. As a citizen of the United States, this whole issue seems ridiculous. It's remarkable though how a media and PR campaign, combined with social pressure, can change…

What's even more interesting still is that you had the opportunity to (attempt to) disprove any of it while replying, but did not do so.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by hericium »

tokai wrote: post #11
hericium wrote: post #2

> before Moscow sent its troops into Ukraine on Feb. 24. Do we really need to smooth "Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24"?

I don't see it as smoothing at all. "sent its troops into" is literally the definition of invading. Also the Russo-Ukrainian war started over 8 years ago. Calling the feb. 24. date for day-0 of the invasion is actually smoothing Russians aggregation even more.

Putin's propaganda during the first hours of war was a rescue operation[1] and you can definitely send troops to help someone.

Wording chosen by the Reuters editor leaves unnecessary room for interpretation imo.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30450498

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by 988747 »

bboozzoo wrote: post #113
weeeeelp wrote: post #72

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Poland's got the Formoza unit, such an operation would certainly be within their capabilities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JW_Formoza Not that I believe that would be orchestrated by the Polish gov.

This made me chuckle a bit. The polish government can hardly contract appropriate levels coal so that people who burn it to heat their homes have trouble replenishing their supplies before winter. Just yesterday they came up with 50% tax on excessive income for companies which employ 250+ people, so clearly they aren't capable of planning months or years ahead, let it be the effects of such a strike on NS.

On the other hand, if the US government came up with the idea, Poland would be happy to execute it. Government wouldn't think much about it, they wouldn't even ask for anything in return.
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