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Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by philipkglass » Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 9:18 PM UTC

The_Stone wrote: post #106

Garvi wrote: post #77

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Fully intentional. As well as not mentioning the name of the prominent Hollywood director. If you're too afraid to google it, the 1984 comments in this thread bashing Russia will create their own gravity well from the irony displayed. Am a EU citizen, a communicologist and programmer.

If it's censored so effectively, how do you expect people to find it via googling based on vague allusions? If you believe this is so important, why be so vague in the first place? This is not how speaking in good faith looks.

I think that I recognize the parent's allusion. The film is Ukraine on Fire, directed by Igor Lopatonok.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_on_Fire

The executive producer (better known for his work as a director) was Oliver Stone. You can buy it on DVD from several major retailers or pay to get it instantly via streaming on Amazon Prime.

The reason "few US citizen seem to know about it" is probably because most US citizens don't watch political documentaries.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by trasz » Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 9:20 PM UTC

theironhammer wrote: post #124

trasz wrote: post #101

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Which commodities? The only useful thing Russia can offer China is gas, and that’s only because it’s cheap. Well, another thing China might want from Russia is Manchuria, but it’s not the time I think.

And to buy Chinese goods. Especially when China and USA are no longer "friends".

Not really - Russian society is piss poor, their market is worthless compared to US or EU. That’s why China prioritizes western markets over Russia.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by The_Stone » Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 9:21 PM UTC

Garvi wrote: post #113

The_Stone wrote: post #106

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If it's censored so effectively, how do you expect people to find it via googling based on vague allusions? If you believe this is so important, why be so vague in the first place? This is not how speaking in good faith looks.

How else am I to demonstrate that the information has been removed clean from the internet? If that makes me a bad actor in your opinion, in my opinion you have your reasoning screwed up somewhere, because I'm not following that logic at all. Please refrain from such redditish personal attacks. If you want to aggravate me, disprove my points. Unfortunately I'd more likely thank you than being mad in that case. If you…

I did attempt to search it based on the information you provided, but unfortunately couldn't find anything particularly relevant when I can't search in reference to the A-list Hollywood director you're alluding to and with any searches about Ukraine optimizing to being about the war with Russia which is obviously at the forefront of results.

You are being needlessly obtuse in your responses and in providing any clarifying information, which is either acting in bad faith or arrogance. If you believe me calling that out as such is a personal attack, then I suggest you provide sources so your points actually can be accessed and addressed.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by The_Stone » Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 9:28 PM UTC

philipkglass wrote: post #131

The_Stone wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's censored so effectively, how do you expect people to find it via googling based on vague allusions? If you believe this is so important, why be so vague in the first place? This is not how speaking in good faith looks.

I think that I recognize the parent's allusion. The film is Ukraine on Fire, directed by Igor Lopatonok. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_on_Fire The executive producer (better known for his work as a director) was Oliver Stone. You can buy it on DVD from several major retailers or pay to get it instantly via streaming on Amazon Prime. The reason "few US citizen seem to know about it" is probably because most US…

Thank you. I'd agree with that presumption. It should also be clear that events in Ukraine have definitely evolved since 2016. Reception seems to imply that multiple sources dismissed the film as Russian propaganda at the time as well. Of course I can't say that for myself without watching it, but I'm noting it as significant.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by Garvi » Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 10:03 PM UTC

The_Stone wrote: post #133

Garvi wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How else am I to demonstrate that the information has been removed clean from the internet? If that makes me a bad actor in your opinion, in my opinion you have your reasoning screwed up somewhere, because I'm not following that logic at all. Please refrain from such redditish personal attacks. If you want to aggravate me, disprove my points. Unfortunately I'd more likely thank you than being mad in that case. If you…

I did attempt to search it based on the information you provided, but unfortunately couldn't find anything particularly relevant when I can't search in reference to the A-list Hollywood director you're alluding to and with any searches about Ukraine optimizing to being about the war with Russia which is obviously at the forefront of results. You are being needlessly obtuse in your responses and in providing any clari…

There you go: https://reclaimthenet.org/youtube-removes-ukraine-on-fire-do...

I already explained my motivations behind what you describe as "acting in bad faith or arrogance" and would rather not be going in circles.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by Garvi » Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 10:04 PM UTC

trasz wrote: post #126

Garvi wrote: post #114

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True. He ran for office on the promise to stop the civil war in the east and enact the Minsk agreement. Instead the shelling intensified. What's sad is up to two months ago there were UN observers in the area, publishing all their observations daily in an open public online database. If one so chooses, one can read up on the intensified shelling of the Donbass regions leading up to Russias intervention. Took me secon…

There's plenty of concrete information - like the fact that this is an artificial conflict manufactured by Russia, and it's perfectly normal to use artillery to fight enemy combatants - but you're ignoring it, because it doesn't fit your story which (I'm sure this is a pure coincidence) matches Russian propaganda. Same with alleged escalation, whereas the numbers show the exact opposite: the total number of people ki…

Can I get a source on the Russian nazi claim? It's the silliest of the claims you made and if you present a shred of evidence for it I'll reevaluate everything.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by The_Stone » Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 10:53 PM UTC

Garvi wrote: post #135

The_Stone wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did attempt to search it based on the information you provided, but unfortunately couldn't find anything particularly relevant when I can't search in reference to the A-list Hollywood director you're alluding to and with any searches about Ukraine optimizing to being about the war with Russia which is obviously at the forefront of results. You are being needlessly obtuse in your responses and in providing any clari…

There you go: https://reclaimthenet.org/youtube-removes-ukraine-on-fire-do... I already explained my motivations behind what you describe as "acting in bad faith or arrogance" and would rather not be going in circles.

Thank you for providing a source. Although, the claims of censorship here appear hollow per checking currently -

- It's available on youtube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKcmNGvaDUs and was posted in April 2021

- It's searchable on Amazon currently despite being blocked in March of this year per the archived result in the article: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Ukraine+on+Fire&rh=n%3A2625373011...

This feels out of date; the movie is not being censored now. It was blocked by private companies likely as a quick response to the beginning of the war, and has since been made accessible again.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by deepthunder » Fri, Sep 23, 2022, 3:34 AM UTC

alkonaut wrote: post #81

theironhammer wrote: post #45

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Excellent post. Thank-you for this. And to anyone who thinks taking the Russian point of view means you are Russian shill please view some John Meersheimer on YouTube. He also references prominent and respected IR American scholars who criticize American policy towards post Soviet Russia. It's been a disastrous mess. And now we face possible nuclear war because of arrogance.

Defending the invasion is being a Russian shill. Arguing that policies have been poor isn’t. It’s possible that this war could have been avoided through different policies, but this is an unprovoked invasion. Arguing it somehow has any responsibility outside Russia is like arguing rape victims should have dressed more appropriately.

Unprovoked? Have a read through these: https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2022/09/07/its-not-okay-for-gro...

Rand Corporation https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by deepthunder » Fri, Sep 23, 2022, 3:40 AM UTC

ROTMetro wrote: post #127

theironhammer wrote: post #93

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His thesis is based on Spheres of Influence. That's RealPolitik not D2P.

Funny, if you go watch the youtube videos he predicates his talk on 'Putien never lied'. I'm just going off of his public speeches on youtube, but maybe that contradict his other works.

You got to be kidding me? This is your takeaway? He's known as a Realist IR Scholar. One of the core tenants of Realist IR is the concept of Sphere's of Influence. Next you'll be telling me Biden is Left Wing.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by deepthunder » Fri, Sep 23, 2022, 3:44 AM UTC

kranke155 wrote: post #47

theironhammer wrote: post #43

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I know those arguments and reject them. Hopefully you will too eventually. Feeling wronged gives Russia no right to trample on the sovereignty of 40 million Ukrainians - who wanted to join NATO of their own free will. Anyway.

Then blame the US State department too for helping to create this War!