I'm one of the people building this. Hi HN, AMA :)
Cool tool but don't you think the onus should be on Emad & team (to use a dataset with only public domain and licensed inages) rather than forcing every artist to opt-out?
Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models
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Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models
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You might be surprised. We have almost as many opt-in requests as opt-outs since we announced this today. We don't see this as binary in the long term. Maybe artists want to release art from a prior period, for example, but withhold their current series until they move to the next.
Why is opt out a thing? Who told you you could use the data in the first place? It's copyrighted. Reproducing any of it is a crime.
> It's copyrighted. Reproducing any of it is a crime.
In which case it should be fairly simple to challenge it in court, no?
Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models
#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
The NN weights can't recreate anything without input values - specifically a 512x512 grid of random noise, and a transformed textual prompt. So there's almost a kilobyte of missing data, without which nothing is produced. Would a JPEG file with random noise in it be potentially any given original image? Of course not - even though the decompressor is perfectly capable of recreating one given suitable input data. The…
You can pontificate all you want about what is contained in the model, the fact is a case related to infringement is going to hit an EU court soon enough and any sort of commercialization of those models will be banned. And good fucking riddance to the AI bros, the monkeys of engineering.
You seem to think it's all figured out, go ahead and try it. This isn't theoretical, everyone seems to think they definitely know how this will go and we sure could use some court clarity.
Slam dunk case right? What's stopping you?
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What intellectual property? Where in the Stable Diffusion model weights does your intellectual property exist?
> "I stole your money and several other people's money and then put it into a bank account. Tough luck! It's too late, you are unlikely to prove which of the dollar bills in account are yours!" Sort of falls flat.
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Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models
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I've been playing with DSLRs for twenty years. I just fuck around until I have some rudimentary understanding of it. Just like how I approach anything else, including playing instruments.
Yea, the only "mental gymnastics" here is the BS you're trying to pass us that your personal neural network has absorbed exactly zero input or observation from other creators/creations that influences (consciously or otherwise) it's ability to create and profit from works.
>your personal neural network
More bullshit equating the human mind to an AI. Newsflash, boyo - humans are not NNs, there is no reason legal precedent should treat humans the same as NNs (and it won't).
Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models
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Interesting, so you've given due credit and/or monetary compensation to every single photographer you've learned from along the way? Yea, thought so.
Computers aren't people, so thinking they "learn" the same way or for the same reason is childish. In addition, only one of those things is capable of and held accountable for following the law. It's the law that matters here.
> It's the law that matters here.
So - keeping this argument purely in terms of IP law - can you explain what the case is for these images to have been illegally used?
Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can pontificate all you want about what is contained in the model, the fact is a case related to infringement is going to hit an EU court soon enough and any sort of commercialization of those models will be banned. And good fucking riddance to the AI bros, the monkeys of engineering.
You seem to think it's all figured out, go ahead and try it. This isn't theoretical, everyone seems to think they definitely know how this will go and we sure could use some court clarity. Slam dunk case right? What's stopping you?
I can't "try it" because I am not an injured party, me not being an artist that has published any image ever. That being said, the existing "relationship" between google and news publishers in the context of EU court decisions is already convincing enough about the direction this is going to go down (and google's usage of news didn't even have to cost a single person their job, unlike how this will).
Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
What intellectual property? Where in the Stable Diffusion model weights does your intellectual property exist?
> "I stole your money and several other people's money and then put it into a bank account. Tough luck! It's too late, you are unlikely to prove which of the dollar bills in account are yours!" Sort of falls flat.
I don't think this analogy holds up.
Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models
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If you aren't Google, manually doing that with 5+ billion images might prove difficult, to put it mildly. Large-scale labeling is typically bootstrapped with smaller models and whatever manual data you have. What's being curated is the bootstrapping process.
Well, imagine a Wikipedia like org/effort.
Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models
#140It's surprising how poorly labeled these images are; who is curating this collection? Can't they crowd-source a proper labeling project - I wonder how much better things like Stable Diffusion would be if its training would include correct, complete labels for the images. I'm sure lots of folks would willingly spend a few minutes here and there to aid with the labeling if it means they get to enjoy the model for free.
You're right. I just searched for "milk" and was not expecting the NSFW results...