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Who cares about diversity?

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Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Post by deathanatos »

I'd love to see incentives to help level the playing field for people who come from impoverished backgrounds. But instead, what we get, and what people seem to clamor most loudly for, is what a former employer of mine had: "hiring bonus if the candidate isn't white or male" (and at one point, all I could hire was non-white or non-male, and the way it was spun was "we are in a hiring freeze, except for diversity hires").

Some of us would like to solve the ills of the world without resorting to racism/sexism.

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Post by lazyeye »

actually_a_dog wrote: post #27
jaywalk wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there's a serious diversity problem with the candidate pool itself. So there's too many white men. How is this impacting performance? Or do you just want to check some boxes and be able to say "we've got X% of engineers who aren't white men, look at how diverse we are!"

It's not possible to measure a counterfactual where teams at a given company just suddenly become diverse. But, it is pretty well known that there are some advantages to diversity in the workplace. Take, for instance, this reasonably well source article which lists 10 advantages: https://www.talentlyft.com/en/blog/article/244/top-10-benefi... Oh, and it's not just white men. East Asians and those from the Indian subc…

They dont want diversity in its true meaning. They just want to hire whoever they want, from wherever they want. And "diversity" is the camouflage they hide behind.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220218114915/https://quillette...

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Post by fi358 »

stuckinhell wrote: post #76
ryeguy_24 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do any companies subscribe to equity of outcome? I didn't think that was the intent of the word "equity". If that were the case, we wouldn't get promoted or bonuses based on our work, it would just be a timed schedule. I don't think that is what's going on.

Thanks to ESG scores, yes they do. I've been under extreme pressure to get my team up to 40% women/nonbinary/lgbt even if their skills are subpar. It's coming from the top down. However, I do get some leeway from HR on their paper education profile and paper experience. I say "paper", because we already fired several people for basically lying on their resume.

How do the HR people even know that if some team members are LGBT? I am a gay and I think it is my private matter and not something I would be interested sharing with for example my employer. I prefer to separate work and my private life in many other issues as well.

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Post by thethimble »

lazyeye wrote: post #107
tptacek wrote: post #89

The whole blog is like this; it's all sort of comically smug "everybody else in the entire world is wrong, and here is a 7-point axiomatic derivation proving it"†, much of it depending on specific definitions of specific words. Check-mate, atheists! There are lots of good, sharp, critical things to say about the DEI movement, most especially "institutional" DEI, but you can't meaningfully say them when you write with…

This sounds like the kind of thing you say when you are annoyed but cant find a good argument against the points being made.

It’s level 3 on pg’s hierarchy of disagreement - the whole concept of which I find interesting: http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Post by cxr »

tptacek wrote: post #89

The whole blog is like this; it's all sort of comically smug "everybody else in the entire world is wrong, and here is a 7-point axiomatic derivation proving it"†, much of it depending on specific definitions of specific words. Check-mate, atheists! There are lots of good, sharp, critical things to say about the DEI movement, most especially "institutional" DEI, but you can't meaningfully say them when you write with…

> There are lots of good, sharp, critical things to say about the DEI movement

Would you mind saying them?

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Post by joshcsimmons »

tptacek wrote: post #89

The whole blog is like this; it's all sort of comically smug "everybody else in the entire world is wrong, and here is a 7-point axiomatic derivation proving it"†, much of it depending on specific definitions of specific words. Check-mate, atheists! There are lots of good, sharp, critical things to say about the DEI movement, most especially "institutional" DEI, but you can't meaningfully say them when you write with…

>> You know, writing like a high school sophomore on a message board.

Ad-hominem, man in the arena, etc.

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Post by psyfi »

All diversity policies and measures are leading to Cobra effects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive#The_origina...

The only policy that is actually right is not to discriminate against colors, ethnicities, political views, etc..

but putting pressure to try to hire african/asian/latinos/women/whatever is like putting pressure on people to buy products from someone just to proof they don't discriminate against, which is extremely absurd and against the purpose.

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Post by muaytimbo »

This diversity stuff comes from the very top, when I was doing my PhD the three most productive (and published) grad students and post docs were a few white and chinese guys. But every grant I proofread from my advisor extolled the "diverse" make up of the lab and the contributions from underrepresented minorities therein (women of various backgrounds) who largely did not contribute to any of the prior work on which the grant was premised. This is universities taking their cues from their funding agencies, the government, and expounding on them.
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