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Re: Cloudflare Warp

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Cloudflare Warp is an extremely unreliable and frustrating end user experience that’s not worth the trouble for the vast majority of people.

The client software implementations are poor and unreliable. Any possible performance gain will be wiped out by constantly needing to debug issues.

Re: Cloudflare Warp

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> Your Internet service provider can see every site and app you use—even if they’re encrypted. Some providers even sell this data, or use it to target you with ads. > We believe privacy is a right. We won't sell your data, ever. "We, the people who make up this company now, but not in the future, PROMISE." I notice they didn't say "we don't keep the data." According to the comments, this is just wireguard. I deployed…

Is your web host also deployed within 40ms of every eyeball on earth?

No, but since it's just a VPN for myself, it only has to be close to my eyeballs.

Well, actually it doesn't, since ping time is not particularly important to me, but in theory.

My webhost would be a terrible replacement for Cloudfare's main product, which maybe you're talking about, as it needs a worldwide presence. This product is a VPN for your phone.

Re: Cloudflare Warp

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We use Cloudflare Warp at work. Honestly—and I say this as a Cloudflare fan in general—it doesn’t work well for me. I regularly have connection issues with it enabled. Video calls sometimes cut out for a couple seconds, and Tuple (which I use a lot) really struggles with it. It’s possible it’s my internet connection or something unrelated, but I don’t have any of these issues when Warp is disabled. YMMV and all that,…

Warp is actually two products: their consumer VPN product, which is typically what's referred to as Warp, and their Zero Trust, which uses the VPN hooks to layer on Enterprise management features. Zero Trust allows companies to route particular IP ranges through various separate connections, unlike Warp which only routes through Cloudflare. It sounds like your company is routing more than internal IP traffic through Zero Trust, which may mean its going through your company connection. You can check your Split Tunnel preferences in the client to see for sure. I personally use various tools with Warp just fine.

However, it's also true that Warp / Zero Trust doesn't use the entire Cloudflare network for their termination points, only a subset of datacenter are used. So you may be getting unlucky through saturation or even just routing to the closest CF point that terminates traffic near you. You can check your "Colocation center" that's being used. In my case, despite living near Detroit and CF's datacenter there, I'm routed through Chicago, adding 40ms to any roundtrip time.

Re: Cloudflare Warp

#136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd be surprised at the poor path that the average packet takes. Cloudflare has lots of PoPs that are very close to major cities so it is very conceivable that if that brings you to a higher quality backbone it would result in better performance overall. I don't know about the quality of Cloudflare's backbone but at Google you could definitely get noticeably better performance by quickly getting into the Google bac…

Do they even maintain something resembling a backbone? A lot of these CDNs just use public transit for outwards traffic

Yes, they maintain prioritized links between their datacenters, many of which are fully private. However, the Warp free plan simply bounces to the nearest CF datacenter which participates in Warp (not all of their centers do) and then back into the public internet, though it's through their massive pipe. Warp+ uses their Argo routing through their private backbone to get you as close to the origin as possible within the Warp network.

Re: Cloudflare Warp

#138
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They have no obligation, legally or otherwise, to host content they don't agree with. That isn't censoring. Are you censoring them for telling them what they can or can't do with their servers? You choose who you let in your house and if they say things which demean yourself, family, ie, associates, then like anyone I'm sure you might tell them you don't want to host them. If you're a store owner you have a right to…

> That isn't censoring.

Of course it is. It's just not government censorship. Corporate censorship is a widely recognized concept. [1]

> I don't know why the obvious keeps having to be explained here.

Your claim is neither obvious, nor even true.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_censorship

Re: Cloudflare Warp

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I’ve been a Warp+ user for some time now and I’m mostly happy. My online privacy is important to me. I use ad blockers too in addition to cloudflare. A couple of things I’ve noticed along the way… 1. Switching off my wi-fi network and then rejoining later used to be an issue but seems to have resolved some time ago (mobile) 2. It seems on macOS that almost every time I login I need to update the client. 3. Usually si…

They've recently improved their geolocation capability while preserving privacy. In addition, they add an origin IP header to outgoing HTTP requests to help origins deal with geolocation, but not all origins parse it.

https://blog.cloudflare.com/geoexit-improving-warp-user-expe...

Re: Cloudflare Warp

#140

I have a fun story about using Warp while on vacation (Bahamas). I was finding that my net traffic felt like it was slower/more variable than I'd expect with uneven speedups and slowdowns. On a whim I installed and turned on Warp and suddenly my internet speed was both palpably faster and more consistent in its speed. I think it possible that one of the side effects of encrypting your traffic may be that it evades IS…

Back when I used Visible (North American MVNO) for my phone, you could get substantially faster speeds and less latency by enabling Warp because it bypassed their traffic shaping and limited egress points, for example if you viewed Netflix without Warp you were throttled to 480p but with Warp you could easily do 1080p.

I always use a VPN when on the hospital's wifi for the same reason. Everything works so much better.
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