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It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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I think having an opt-in (on by default in Realms) universal bans system is a good idea and something only Microsoft can properly provide. Can you really not turn this off per server?

Already exists for Java edition as a server (Bukkit) mod, which makes it opt-in: https://www.mcbans.com/

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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It's apparently a minority voice opinion here on HN, but I for one appreciate what Microsoft is trying to do. As a parent of a 6 and 9 year old who have really gotten into Minecraft during COVID, I appreciate them basically deciding "We want Minecraft to be a game for kids and an online community that is nice." I get why people are frustrated, but I also like the idea of a global decision that forces servers open to…

I think the issue is the ease of getting users banned, and the lack of actual moderating at all that is the problem. It literally is as easy as fill out the form, user is automatically banned, no verification required. Microsoft is not actually enforcing anything. My son is 10 and has been playing Minecraft for most of his life. I would consider him quite good at it. I sometimes watch. Every couple of months one of h…

Super informative!

Maybe auditing the chat logs is an easy way for MS to try to fix this???

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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post #94

It's apparently a minority voice opinion here on HN, but I for one appreciate what Microsoft is trying to do. As a parent of a 6 and 9 year old who have really gotten into Minecraft during COVID, I appreciate them basically deciding "We want Minecraft to be a game for kids and an online community that is nice." I get why people are frustrated, but I also like the idea of a global decision that forces servers open to…

At first I found it frustrtating, but I've grown to really appreciate Nintendo's approach to this problem. Their multiplayer games (like Splatoon) have no in-game chat or VOIP. It definitely makes it harder to make friends in the games, but it also completely eliminates any and all potential for toxicity and other miscreant behavior. As a result, I'd have no problem letting my hypothetical children play these games o…

It removes any and all reason to play online. Might as well play bots.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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post #94

It's apparently a minority voice opinion here on HN, but I for one appreciate what Microsoft is trying to do. As a parent of a 6 and 9 year old who have really gotten into Minecraft during COVID, I appreciate them basically deciding "We want Minecraft to be a game for kids and an online community that is nice." I get why people are frustrated, but I also like the idea of a global decision that forces servers open to…

I'm totally on board with creating kid friendly servers. I'm more skeptical of only allowing kid friendly worlds to officially exist.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the deal with proprietary software. The deal is that you buy a license to software, the terms of which can be altered at any time. It's fundamental to the model of proprietary software. It's not theirs. It's the company's, and the company can do what they want with it. There's no reason refunds should be offered, as the consumers got what they paid for: A license to software, with certain conditions for te…

Google "contract unconscionability". How is buying a copy of software which runs on my own computer different from buying a physical machine that runs on my electricity? If this were using a company's servers, then fine. More power to them. In fact, that's a very fair way to do business. You're stepping in their own backyard and so they get to set the rules of the "house". But when I run the software in my own machin…

Minecraft is transparently not a good. You get a license to it, you don't own it. You don't buy the copy, you buy the license to the copy.

You go to the video store, you get a VHS tape. You don't own the media on the tape. You can use the tape.

That is the deal for proprietary software. That's what you agreed to with your purchase. You consented to the model. You agreed to the terms of the license.

There's nothing misleading about software licensing. You buy a license, that the company and you agree before you spend money on it, that the company can change at any time. There's nothing unconscionable about that. You knowingly went into the deal, and so you should have to deal with the consequences of it.

Governments need to stop babysitting people who make stupid decisions unless it's genuinely urgent; markets don't work when consumers can yell at legislators and judges enough to invalidate the mechanisms of them. It's getting a bit ridiculous.

Should have grabbed a copy of software with a better license. Better luck next time.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Hi, orsond from the fifth column here. The Fifth Column is a Minecraft hacking and griefing group. We created Project Copenhiemer which is a Minecraft server scanning tool. Copenhiemer scans the internet every 20 minutes for minecraft servers, logs players, server versions, mods and more. Originally we had created it to find players and grief their server worlds, highlighting how much information about players is lea…

If that system can actually be implemented, it would make playing minecraft as a non-groomer adult so much more fun, too. Child players on these public servers tend to beg hard for valuable in-game items, and frustratingly though understandably, they complain a lot about chat posts above their reading level. If Microsoft/Mojang made an adults-only Java version to solve this problem and I had to use my ID to prove who I am, I would buy the game again, at double price. Worth every penny. And they'd save resources by not trying to boil the entire in-game communication ocean.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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This is clearly how Microsoft is finally going to rid itself of Notch’s original $20 to play forever deal. Bedrock edition didn’t get enough people off Java edition, micro transactions didn’t lure enough people away, so now they’ve just implemented a really loose report-to-ban system and let the online community tear itself apart.

When you’ve invested multiple billions in a property, these are the sorts of choices you make to protect that investment.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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post #116
post #94

It's apparently a minority voice opinion here on HN, but I for one appreciate what Microsoft is trying to do. As a parent of a 6 and 9 year old who have really gotten into Minecraft during COVID, I appreciate them basically deciding "We want Minecraft to be a game for kids and an online community that is nice." I get why people are frustrated, but I also like the idea of a global decision that forces servers open to…

I think the issue is the ease of getting users banned, and the lack of actual moderating at all that is the problem. It literally is as easy as fill out the form, user is automatically banned, no verification required. Microsoft is not actually enforcing anything. My son is 10 and has been playing Minecraft for most of his life. I would consider him quite good at it. I sometimes watch. Every couple of months one of h…

I think you are getting played by kids that are saying offensive things in chat.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the issue is the ease of getting users banned, and the lack of actual moderating at all that is the problem. It literally is as easy as fill out the form, user is automatically banned, no verification required. Microsoft is not actually enforcing anything. My son is 10 and has been playing Minecraft for most of his life. I would consider him quite good at it. I sometimes watch. Every couple of months one of h…

Super informative! Maybe auditing the chat logs is an easy way for MS to try to fix this???

No large social platform will spend a dime more on moderation than they are compelled to by law.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the deal with proprietary software. The deal is that you buy a license to software, the terms of which can be altered at any time. It's fundamental to the model of proprietary software. It's not theirs. It's the company's, and the company can do what they want with it. There's no reason refunds should be offered, as the consumers got what they paid for: A license to software, with certain conditions for te…

You're right, but the difference is that I don't think most people know it's coming, despite how much we try to shout about it.

They consented to the terms when installing, and the license that says they had to accept the terms at purchase, so them not knowing is entirely on them.

I'm not pro-Microsoft, but it's really on the consumers, here, if they didn't know what they got themselves into.

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