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Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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I don’t understand, where is the interoperability issue?? I can send someone who has an android phone a text message. I can send them a photo, or a video. It would seem the two are completely interoperable. Does having your messages turn green really upset people that much?

> I can send someone who has an android phone a text message. I can send them a photo, or a video. You can, and the quality of the photo/video on the other end is horrendous. It's artificially downgraded. Android doesn't have this problem when messaging any other platform, because all other platforms use RCS (an open standard), which Apple chooses not to adopt because they benefit from the lock-in. It also breaks all…

My Android phone has occasionally prompted me about switching on enhanced messaging features, RCS, but to do so required agreeing to some Google T&Cs that I wasn't comfortable with, so I've consistently declined.

RCS is a weird thing. It's supposed to be operated by carriers - but it's inconsistently supported by carriers, so Google provides the service. I'd rather not send photos and all my personal messages to Google. No, I don't use Gmail, and no I don't backup my Android phone to Google servers.

SMS seems to have gone out of fashion for personal conversations, except when mobile signal is poor and SMS is the only thing that still works. So I don't particularly feel the enhanced features matter. Commercial SMS is still used a lot, but I probably prefer to _not_ have enhanced messaging from those anyway.

Because of Apple's clearer privacy stance compared with Google, especially with Google being primarily an advertising and tracking company by revenue, I sometimes think I'd feel ok using Apple's services - if only iOS wasn't so limiting. But because of iOS limitations I pretty much have to use Android and live with the compromises. I am conflicted about this, because if iOS is forced to open up, it'll be more useful to me for some things, but also more of a cesspit of scam apps, and Google Chrome and related services will dominate the landscape more.

Although everyone recognises Apple uses iMessage for "prestige" and lock-in, I think there are good reasons why even if Apple didn't care about its own benefits, and only wanted to protect users' pricacy, Apple should perhaps not go all-in on RCS in its current form. From Wikipedia about RCS:

"Amnesty International researcher Joe Westby criticized RCS for not allowing end-to-end encryption, because it is treated as a service of carriers and thus subject to lawful interception.

"The Verge criticized the inconsistent support of RCS in the United States, with carriers not supporting RCS in all markets, not certifying service on all phones, or not yet supporting the Universal Profile. Concerns were shown over Google's decision to run its own RCS service due to the possibility of antitrust scrutiny, but it was acknowledged that Google had to do so in order to bypass the carriers' inconsistent support of RCS, as it wanted to have a service more comparable to Apple's iMessage service available on Android.

"Ars Technica also criticized Google's move to launch a direct-to-consumer RCS service, considering it a contradiction of RCS being native to the carrier to provide features reminiscent of messaging apps, counting it as being among various past and unsuccessful attempts by Google to develop an in-house messaging service (including Google Talk, Google+ Messenger, Hangouts, and Allo), and noting limitations: such as its dependencies on phone numbers as the identity (whereas email-based accounts are telco-agnostic), not being capable of being readily synchronized between multiple devices, and the aforementioned lack of end-to-end encryption.[8 In June 2021 Google introduced end-to-end encryption in Google Messages, an app supporting RCS. Encryption is supported only if two users are on Messages in a 1:1 chat (not group chat), both with RCS turned on."

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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He is right on multiple levels. If your mom is suffering the buggy, slow, bad UX of an android phone, be a good child and buy her an iPhone. It’s objectively better unless you are harboring some irrational grudge. The walled garden is Apple’s thing. They have no reason to interoperate with Android unless they are legally forced. And why are you sending SMS anyway? There’s a universe of messaging apps that are far mor…

you should really step out of your bubble every so often, sounds like you're projecting your experience onto everyone else without really thinking about or considering what life is like in other places

Oh I have a decent handle on that I think:)

I mean if your mom is texting with SMS, she’s in North America. If she’s texting with a lot of iPhone users your family is in a certain economic position already. If you are on this site you are in a certain economic position and get called in for a lot of family tech support. If your mom has an android, supporting it is probably not worth your time in terms of the hourly rate you usually get. On top of all that, an iPhone SE is one of the best deals in phones and its long support life will save money over a parade of crap cheapest-available androids.

I am just speaking to my audience.

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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Remember how much shit Microsoft got when they did crap like this with Windows and IE? I guess Bill Gates just wasn't charming enough.

Microsoft’s market share was substantially higher then Apples is in their relative market segments.

I'd say higher, but not substantially. iPhone dominates the premium smartphone market, and iTunes is massive too.

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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You don’t buy or recommend Apple products because non-iMessages are shown in green?

It's not that the messages are in green, it's that videos and pictures sent over SMS are terrible. My dad sent me a video the other day, and it was 176 x 144 @ 10fps.

I recently was a part of my fathers wedding. His new wife sent me tens of pictures and videos that I was excited for because I'm bad at taking pictures.

Each and every picture and video had absurdly low resolution, to the point that they were useless and unviewable.

I don't know why apple struggles to do something my damn flip phone from 2005 could do no problem, other than doing it on purpose.

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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They don't have to change their protocol, they'd just have to port to Android

I assumed the latest idea was for Apple to adopt RCS > But Apple can adopt RCS—the modern industry standard—for these threads instead. Source: https://www.android.com/get-the-message/ , published around the beginning of August as far as I recall.

They already support good, old-fashioned text messages, they could just do it without being petty.

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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UX gaps? Are you talking about android? The UX is highly inconsistent in vanilla android let alone across apps…

How is that a bad thing? I remember android 2.x apps having the coolest UIs, nowadays android apps all use the same boring material design components. You can still find some 2.x apps on the play store though, they're a refreshing blast from the past. Websites still have a bit of originality, given the vast variety of UI frameworks (and now canvas apps allow for even more versatility).

You're missing a huge point: Even though all those apps had different looks and feels and even did things differently, Back always GOES BACK. It's a global interaction and just makes so many things so much easier than a la cart back buttons for each interaction in random places, or whatever "gestures" are.

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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You don't have to buy her an iPhone

If you want to minimize your tech support calls? Come on.

Oh, like when my mother had to spend over a year using her phone only while plugged in because the battery was so underspecced for the task that it literally could not boot the phone despite showing 80% battery, and everything else about her phone basically stopped functioning, and she couldn't buy a new one because they're $1000 and she's an average person without a shitload of money to burn?

Oh wait, that was her iPhone, that she bought because she needed a more modern phone that wouldn't cause her issues like android.

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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It's not that the messages are in green, it's that videos and pictures sent over SMS are terrible. My dad sent me a video the other day, and it was 176 x 144 @ 10fps.

I recently was a part of my fathers wedding. His new wife sent me tens of pictures and videos that I was excited for because I'm bad at taking pictures. Each and every picture and video had absurdly low resolution, to the point that they were useless and unviewable. I don't know why apple struggles to do something my damn flip phone from 2005 could do no problem, other than doing it on purpose.

MMS (flip phone from 2005) is not sending 4K 10MP photos and videos.

I do not think any chat protocols promises sharing multimedia at original quality. iMessage is the only one I know of, and that is only when both users are on wifi.

If the goal is to send and receive full quality media, then messaging protocols are not the proper way.

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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According to the article, some videos and things like this, and also the phone showing non-iMessage SMS in a different color, an apparent source of embarrassment to teens. But personally I can’t say I have ever noticed this limitation.

But there are other ways to send these media files. Why is apple obligated to provide a solution to android

Well I guess that’s Cook’s argument as well.

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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There is a solution to the problem of sending videos or collections of photos via SMS from iPhone to Android: go to a video, and click 'copy iCloud link'. Send the link to the Android user, and it's an easy process to download the full resolution file. I have a family member who refuses to use Apple products out of principle and this is a convenient workaround.

Or using a chat app of some sort. I was surprised that in USA sms is still used.

I do not know a single person in the USA that does not use WhatsApp. It must be older Americans who have zero international connections that are oblivious to other chat apps.

Asians, Latinos, Europeans, Africans, Canadians, everyone is using WhatsApp (or iMessage). No one would pay for exorbitant international SMS/MMS costs.

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