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EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by cheschire »

TylerE wrote: post #68
dweekly wrote: post #59

I think things like this are great because they will finally start to create pressure to commodify >1gbps networking in the home. The industry has some work to do here. I've been on Sonic 10G for almost a year now and LOVE it, but it's definitely been a sore spot to get things set up to expect those kinds of speeds - prosumer 10G switches are vastly more expensive per-port, wired consumer devices don't typically supp…

I wonder how much of a push this will really be? For the vast majority of people even vanilla gigabit is of limited benefit... that's on the edge of what a consumer SSD is writing at.

I'm a deep computer nerd, I play lots of games, with a family watching streaming on 2 to 4 devices regularly, I buy a decent amount of games, download terabytes per year...

I'm just fine with my 300 mbps connection. Even when it drops to 20 mbps occasionally it's not the worst experience.

I'm not sure what it is that is different about me than my peers.

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Post by throwaway892238 »

mabbo wrote: post #101

I recently upgraded to 1.5gbps and realized a few things. The downsides: the Cat5e cables inside my condo walls can't handle more than 1.0gbps; my desktop's network port also maxes out at 1.0gbps; the wifi router in my home can't do more than 600mbps even if standing right next to it. But also, nothing I do needs this much bandwidth. I can download any steam game in the blink of an eye. I can watch streaming video at…

When your microwave, fridge, oven, tv, toaster, dish washer, dryer, tea kettle, and stand mixer are all playing you 4K advertisements for a new TV show or a new pair of Adidas, you will be glad you have 12gbps left to browse the web (which will by then require another 2gbps for all of the javascript, images, and 4K video ads needed to render a blog)

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by chrsig »

TylerE wrote: post #68
dweekly wrote: post #59

I think things like this are great because they will finally start to create pressure to commodify >1gbps networking in the home. The industry has some work to do here. I've been on Sonic 10G for almost a year now and LOVE it, but it's definitely been a sore spot to get things set up to expect those kinds of speeds - prosumer 10G switches are vastly more expensive per-port, wired consumer devices don't typically supp…

I wonder how much of a push this will really be? For the vast majority of people even vanilla gigabit is of limited benefit... that's on the edge of what a consumer SSD is writing at.

This was my experience when I had a gigabit connection. I could download games from steam as fast as my ssd would write it.

Which was pretty awesome, but I'm not often pushing that sort of bandwidth.

The counter argument being that without it being a commodity, we don't know what might be invented if it were. We could miss out on, or delay lots of really amazing innovations.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by gonzo »

coder543 wrote: post #129
tbyehl wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reported elsewhere as $1,500/m residential and $12,500/m commercial. I think they're not aiming for much residential uptake...

Source? I've been looking for the price just out of curiosity.

I have an employee in chatt who reported the same pricing on slack.

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Post by CobaltFire »

Nextgrid wrote: post #96
Havoc wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>USB-C maxes out at 10 Gbps Lower. I've got a 5gbps usb-c adapter...ends up being more like 3.5. And like 4x the price of a 2.5 dongle

What you need to keep in mind is that a lot of USB-C Ethernet adapters run over the USB3 lines - USB has a lot of CPU overhead which becomes visible at those speeds. USB-C, with the right cable, connector and machine, can support Thunderbolt which is PCI-Express. If you go for a Thunderbolt adapter (and not a USB-based one, as above), you will get around this problem. You can also get one of those external GPU cases…

I have this setup (eGPU case with a 10GbE NIC) and what you want for a Mac is an Aquantia AQC107 card, which I’ve managed to get a few of. Those have the same 10Gb chip as Apple uses so work perfect with no issue.

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Post by 71a54xd »

This is incredible, I'm full remote and tired of paying high rent in austin (even after leaving NYC) which makes me want to consider TN a bit more. However, what kind of networking (ideally prosumer) hardware do you need to truly leverage this kind of a connection. Switches are cheap, I already have a few 10G fiber switches, however routers are another story, especially ones that are actually capable of keeping up with a 10G or 25G connection.

2G Google Fiber has been an absolute game changer - from experience I can also say it's better than 2x bonded Verizon Fios fiber connections. By far, the coolest feature of G Fiber is the online portal to request a static IP. Really hope static IP capability is also an option with this 10G service!

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by 71a54xd »

dweekly wrote: post #59

I think things like this are great because they will finally start to create pressure to commodify >1gbps networking in the home. The industry has some work to do here. I've been on Sonic 10G for almost a year now and LOVE it, but it's definitely been a sore spot to get things set up to expect those kinds of speeds - prosumer 10G switches are vastly more expensive per-port, wired consumer devices don't typically supp…

The kicker I've found when looking at proper enterprise networking gear (NOT anything from the Ubiquiti trash lineup) is most of the cost on top of an already high hardware cost is in software licensing for the router / switch itself. Did you different routers etc?

Fortunately, fiber cable runs are really cheap. Fortunately with sources like FS.com optics and transceivers also aren't too expensive.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by 71a54xd »

tyingq wrote: post #87
r00fus wrote: post #9

Wow this reads like an announcement from a different timeline (like the one that was promised when fiber was promoted in the early 2000s). 25Gb/s symmetric? In the middle of Tennessee? Meanwhile I have traffic-shaped Comcast and no fiber in sight in Silicon Valley.

It is cool, but I imagine it's expensive. Tried their site with a random address, and 10Gig is $300/month...their 1Gig is $68/month. 25Gb isn't yet listed.

Thanks for posting, I was also very curious about pricing. I pay around $150/mo. in Austin TX for 2G Google Fiber.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by 71a54xd »

ThunderSizzle wrote: post #88
digdugdirk wrote: post #73

Chattanooga Tennessee, for those curious but not curious enough to read the article. I'm intrigued by the city's push for this community co-op high speed internet - does anyone here have any experience with how the city has changed before/after the "gig-city" push? And did pandemic work from home change/accelerate things at all?

It started out to build a smart power grid, and I can say it did that pretty well. The network was able to automatically re-routr power to decrease outages substantially during storms without requiring crews to fix it. Most people I know converted pretty quickly to EPB from Comcast, but apartments and HOAs still make contracts for exclusive Comcast wiring, even brand new HOAs that are being built. My understanding is…

I'm still stunned there isn't a unified service that can tell you WHERE FIBER IS AVAILABLE BY ADDRESS throughout the country or just in specific cities. Even Google Fiber's dedicated map is horrible and incredibly annoying to grok.

Literally, has anyone at this address had a FTTH connection installed? I'd even pay $12/mo or a one time fee to check. So it sounds like Chattanooga apts likely won't have support anytime soon?

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by 71a54xd »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #111
aetherspawn wrote: post #90

Considering that 10G fiber gear is not very expensive at all (ie 28 port fiber switch - $1000) I’ve wondered what the hold-up is on 10Gbps SFP+ becoming a standard. In Australia we’re shamefully paying $1150 per month for our business symmetrical 10G SFP+ (shaped to 1/1G), but a 1G 1000/40 connection is only $100/mo.

You still have to get transceivers for both ends of each and every connection which drives up the cost per port pretty dramatically. Edit: Scantly driving up the cost per port. Say what? You've just added $1,500 (28 ports * 2 per port * $27) to the cost of a 28 port switch… at the low end. Now I've no experience with fiber, but anecdotally I've come across a few complaints that the Ubiquiti stuff is picky about the t…

It's not that bad given the performance gain. Fiber patch cables are dirt cheap, FS.com optics are a great deal and also very affordable. Catch is to make sure you carefully buy hardware that accepts the proper optics, insane that it's somehow legal to lock down optics for specific vendors (I'm looking at you intel).
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