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Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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Post by rowanG077 »

antupis wrote: post #41
blippage wrote: post #27

“The one moral CEO in America.” That's up there with Ken Lay's proclamation that Enron set the bar for corporate ethics (I can't find the exact quote, and obviously before the collapse). 'The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.' -- Ralph Waldo Emerson. Anyhoo, I have no actual idea if the accusations against Price are founded or not. That's for the courts to decide. I'm not into the whole…

There has been plenty of those accusations like waterboarding his ex-wife and usually no smoke without a fire is pretty good thumb-rule about these things.

No that's the worst rule of thumb. That's how you end up with lynch mobs, witch burning etc.

Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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Post by sgift »

carlsborg wrote: post #106

"Gravity Payments, which helps businesses process mobile and point-of-sale payments, cleared $6.5 billion in transactions for more than 12,000 businesses in 2014." What exactly is the business model here? What do they do?

Allowing you to accept something other than cash without the hassle of interacting with a myriad of banks (and their APIs) yourself. They either give you a terminal to do it or an add-on for whatever you have currently. And they do the same for e-commerce.

Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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Post by sgift »

dangerface wrote: post #130
bidirectional wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a legal principle which exists because of the incredibly high bar we want our governments to cross before they deprive people of their liberties. Individual citizens can believe whatever they want to believe.

Im pretty sure it was implemented because of the amount of mob justice that was going on during the period of the salem witch trials.

You are absolutely correct, but many people like to forget this cause obviously mob justice only happens to bad people. They tend to hold this position right until the mob stands in front of their own door.

Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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Post by samhw »

jiriknesl wrote: post #103
FiloSottile wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt" is the gate for government violence, but as a society we operate on a very different standard, for very good reasons. Multiple credible accusations, corroborated by contemporaneous accounts, collated by a reputable journalist is definitely enough to call the accusations founded. Not enough to send people with guns to take away his freedom, maybe, but enough to fo…

Forming an opinion is great and everyone's right. Nowadays, exactly the same process you describe, is used to cancel people without proper chance for them to defend themselves. So I would be double careful with "multiple accusations", amplified in mass media and/or social media bubble because this is exactly how mob virtually lynches people in 2022.

What do you mean by 'cancel', outside the context of blacklisting entertainers? How does that apply to a CEO? Presumably anyone considering employing or funding him is entitled (and likely competent) to read the facts and others' thoughts about them.

I think the point about 'multiple accusers' is fair. People will come out of the woodwork, especially when there's money at stake (from the press or from legal action). Michael Jackson is a good example: undoubtedly he did rape some of those kids, but not all of them. Still, I don't see why this provides an argument against forming an opinion, rather than one for forming opinions judiciously.

Also, look up Jesse Washington if you want to understand what lynching means.

Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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Post by londons_explore »

This really is a good reason to keep personal and professional lives separate.

I'd like to see more people having one name at work, and another for their personal life, and keeping each compartmentalized.

It's legal to do in England for example. You can have as many names as you like, including surnames. To use multiple names for the purposes of furthering fraud or evading the police is illegal though.

Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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Post by subpixel »

blippage wrote: post #27

“The one moral CEO in America.” That's up there with Ken Lay's proclamation that Enron set the bar for corporate ethics (I can't find the exact quote, and obviously before the collapse). 'The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.' -- Ralph Waldo Emerson. Anyhoo, I have no actual idea if the accusations against Price are founded or not. That's for the courts to decide. I'm not into the whole…

This story isn’t about ‘trial by Twitter’.

An online mob isn’t what put this guy’s behavior in the spotlight - it was the reporting done by a journalist who saw through his program and the actions of women who were willing to go to the police, to speak to each other, and to talk to reporters.

The power of social media that this story reveals is the degree to which presence and popularity can drown out important information. He just kept rooting his horn and everyone forgot what his wife said.

Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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Post by adev_ »

And again a good example of American Puritanism where someone pass from the status of Hero to Paria as soon as someone discover he has flaws.

Everybody is flawed, damned everybody, including yourself.

And the most extraordinary people are, Often the less acceptable in term of social norms they are too.

- The Most brillant CEOs are often terrible family Dad and with psychological/narcissist problems.... Still they are giving people jobs and making the world a better place.

- Many Brillant scientists have asperger syndromes and are asociable nightmare for the people that work with.... Still brillant scientists that make the world a better place.

- Many authors have self-destructive syndromes and chronic depression affecting their close relative. Still they wrote amazing piece of art.

Same for actors, authors, philosophers, producers, political figures.. your neighbor, everybody.

Nobody is ever perfect even close to this fake perfect public image hero they try to create.

That apply to Dan Price too, whatever he did.

Maybe it is time to grow up America and accept the world as it is.

Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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Post by subpixel »

londons_explore wrote: post #135

This really is a good reason to keep personal and professional lives separate. I'd like to see more people having one name at work, and another for their personal life, and keeping each compartmentalized. It's legal to do in England for example. You can have as many names as you like, including surnames. To use multiple names for the purposes of furthering fraud or evading the police is illegal though.

I do this. But what I lack is a tool that lets me choose the caller ID for each contact. I’m too lazy to get two phones.

Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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Post by formerly_proven »

londons_explore wrote: post #135

This really is a good reason to keep personal and professional lives separate. I'd like to see more people having one name at work, and another for their personal life, and keeping each compartmentalized. It's legal to do in England for example. You can have as many names as you like, including surnames. To use multiple names for the purposes of furthering fraud or evading the police is illegal though.

"But you never wore a ring, I didn't know you had a wife." -- "And my wife doesn't know I have a job, I keep my personal and professional life separate."

Western names are really odd and strange. So many people named after the fact that their grand-grand-grand-fathers did a certain job or people named after the city their forefathers used to live in and stuff like that. We think of names as fixed, but really the only reason they are like that is to support bureaucracy. A fluid relationship with names seems strange and exotic to us, but is far more natural.

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