NIMBYism and it’s consequences have been a disaster for the human race
And very specifically for California!
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covering more and more land in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impervious_surface is not a good idea either
Generally solved by incentivizing large lush green lawns for single family housing in large tracts. The lawns have the added benefit of capturing carbon and increasing air quality. Mandating one 18-hole golf course for every 2K people in municipalities would also create positive offsets to impervious surface and add to the benefit.
incentivizing lush greens in California? I don't live there, but the last thing I heard from there was quite the opposite
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Show me land on the periphery of an urban center that's large enough to meaningfully expand housing that isn't farmland, rangeland, forestry, or a protected habitat/important ecological preserve. I'll wait, take your time.
Yes, legislative capture and over-zealous zoning are real problems.
So no, you can't find any?
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>They will MASSIVELY decrease our home values... Your net worth is $1.7 billion, you can fuck off with your concern about that one home of yours experiencing a dip in value. I realize this comment isn't in the typical spirit of an HN comment, but that's just gross.
No, non-Atherton residents can 'f-off' with whatever their opinions are, unless it materially affects the community at large. The residents can have whatever kind of municipality they want. If they want to keep it quiet and not be Manhatten, it's their prerogative. Now - blocking the electrification of Caltrain - that - is actual NIMBYISM, because they're blocking needed infrastructure changes that don't likely hugel…
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>They will MASSIVELY decrease our home values... Your net worth is $1.7 billion, you can fuck off with your concern about that one home of yours experiencing a dip in value. I realize this comment isn't in the typical spirit of an HN comment, but that's just gross.
No, non-Atherton residents can 'f-off' with whatever their opinions are, unless it materially affects the community at large. The residents can have whatever kind of municipality they want. If they want to keep it quiet and not be Manhatten, it's their prerogative. Now - blocking the electrification of Caltrain - that - is actual NIMBYISM, because they're blocking needed infrastructure changes that don't likely hugel…
No.
What happens in Atherton is, indeed, the business of Atherton residents. But if you have a net worth of $1.3 billion, and you walk around publicly telling every other municipality what they need to do, only to turn around and publicly refuse to do that in your municipality under the auspices of, "My gigantic pile of 'fuck you' money will still be a gigantic pile of 'fuck you' money just ever-so-slightly-smaller, so much so that I won't even notice the difference," then... yep. We're all going to roll our eyes and tell you to fuck off.
Now, you don't have to fuck off. That's your prerogative (after all, you've got all of that "fuck you" money!). But we'll still tell you to.
Plain and simple.
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I really don’t understand this mindset, shouldn’t you stop caring about money at a certain point? So what if one of your houses decreases in value, you’re set for life. Is it some weird money obsession/disease?
I think it's an excuse. The real reason is probably he doesn't want his neighborhood transformed. If your neighborhood is tree lined single family homes, you may not want multi-family living that breaks the "character" of your neighborhood. Lower prices also attract less affluent people, would increase school sizes, etc. I still think it's hypocritical, but I don't think its about just the home value. Do you feel the…
> Lower prices also attract less affluent people
You are right! It looks like he might not give a crap about the actual financial "hit" from depreciation of his house as much as he worries that if the prices do go down, Atherton will become more affordable, and that to him is probably a massive problem.
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No, non-Atherton residents can 'f-off' with whatever their opinions are, unless it materially affects the community at large. The residents can have whatever kind of municipality they want. If they want to keep it quiet and not be Manhatten, it's their prerogative. Now - blocking the electrification of Caltrain - that - is actual NIMBYISM, because they're blocking needed infrastructure changes that don't likely hugel…
No. What happens in Atherton is, indeed, the business of Atherton residents. But if you have a net worth of $1.3 billion , and you walk around publicly telling every other municipality what they need to do, only to turn around and publicly refuse to do that in your municipality under the auspices of, "My gigantic pile of 'fuck you' money will still be a gigantic pile of 'fuck you' money just ever-so-slightly-smaller,…
Andreessen isn't telling other communities what to do.
'It's Time To Build' is not about 'building buildings', for gosh sake's, it's about building companies, innovating, organizing ourselves better and 'doing stuff'. Not 'building homes' in Los Angeles.
You can 'fuck off' with your 'fucking off' language, this isn't the place for uninformed mob rage.
People have their quiet neighbourhoods and want to keep them that, it's not really any of your business. There's plenty of room for you to express yourself and even get angry with other by telling them to 'f-off' just not in Atherton apparently.
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No. What happens in Atherton is, indeed, the business of Atherton residents. But if you have a net worth of $1.3 billion , and you walk around publicly telling every other municipality what they need to do, only to turn around and publicly refuse to do that in your municipality under the auspices of, "My gigantic pile of 'fuck you' money will still be a gigantic pile of 'fuck you' money just ever-so-slightly-smaller,…
Andreessen isn't telling other communities what to do. 'It's Time To Build' is not about 'building buildings', for gosh sake's, it's about building companies , innovating, organizing ourselves better and 'doing stuff'. Not 'building homes' in Los Angeles. You can 'fuck off' with your 'fucking off' language, this isn't the place for uninformed mob rage. People have their quiet neighbourhoods and want to keep them that…
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>Andreessen isn't telling other communities what to do.
"It's Time to Build" is literally Andreessen telling us what he thinks that we - the United States as a broader community - need to be doing as we move towards the future.
>'It's Time To Build' is not about 'building buildings', for gosh sake's, it's about building companies, innovating, organizing ourselves better and 'doing stuff'. Not 'building homes' in Los Angeles.
It's about all of that and building homes. As a matter of fact, it's actually a pretty well-rounded piece. An excerpt:
>You see it in housing and the physical footprint of our cities. We can’t build nearly enough housing in our cities with surging economic potential — which results in crazily skyrocketing housing prices in places like San Francisco, making it nearly impossible for regular people to move in and take the jobs of the future.
I'm struggling to square away how lamenting our inability to "build nearly enough housing" is "not about 'building buildings'".
>You can 'fuck off' with your 'fucking off' language, this isn't the place for uninformed mob rage.
Again at the risk of not having a typically-constructive HN conversation, there are 61 up votes for my comment and yours was decently downvoted. It's safe to say that more people disagree with you here, or - and I think this is more likely - that they at least understand my point better than you do. You see...
>People have their quiet neighbourhoods and want to keep them that, it's not really any of your business.
... I have never actually said that it is my business. In my first post, I only told a gigantically wealthy person off for whining in caps lock about losing an amount of money that will have next-to-no impact to their massive net worth. You then responded to me telling me that I don't get to tell Atherton residents how to determine what happens in their municipality.
I responded, clarified that I know that, and further clarified that I was only telling a gigantically wealthy person off for the same reason I mentioned just above and in every previous post of mine in this chain. Yet you are again telling me that "it's not really any of [my] business" what Atherton residents want. Stop putting words in my mouth!
Again - let them do what they want with their community. But Marc Andreessen absolutely can still fuck off for that comment.
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#140>“I am writing this letter to communicate our IMMENSE objection to the creation of multifamily overlay zones in Atherton,” wrote Andreessen and his wife Laura Arrillaga-Andreessen in an email. “Please IMMEDIATELY REMOVE all multifamily overlay zoning projects from the Housing Element which will be submitted to the state in July. They will MASSIVELY decrease our home values, the quality of life of ourselves and our ne…
It's not remotely hypocritical. He lives in a quiet neighbourhood and he likely moved there for that reason. The community wants to keep it that way. It's (almost) entirely none of your/my/our business otherwise. The anti-NIMBYism issue is an irrational hysteria ... pushing everyone to think that the moment an area becomes popular, it must be turned into New York or Hong Kong. And FYI are those places affordable? The…
> There's tons of land in the US, it's time for stupid cities to organize themselves and not have antiquated/disjoint transport systems i.e. Caltrain/Bart.
how about cars