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Re: Goat Rental – Hire Goats

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Post by hutzlibu »

0898 wrote: post #119
throwawaylinux wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> is not just incompetent, but where he will actually cause damage - for instance because he has ulterior motives. That made me think it was more. And anyway, as much as the fox does with chickens, the goat knows it will set about to kill and eat plants. There's no real reason to call the fox knowingly malicious and the goat not.

>There's no real reason to call the fox knowingly malicious and the goat not. I think we imagine foxes to have a level of cunning that a placid goat lacks.

Ha, you have not worked with goats before, have you?

Even some sheep like to sneak up and attack from behind. Goats even more so..

But sure most goats lack that bravery, but some have it and the cunning to attack and get to places they are not supposed to be.

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Post by gommm »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #127
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not talking about cat litter I'm talking about litters of kittens. Who gives a fuck about litter? Unless you're talking about litter as in garbage. But if you think dumping helpless animals under your care to fend for themselves is morally equivalent to littering, I'm not even sure what to say to that. It's not even in the same ballpark.

I know commenting on downvotes isn't kosher but I really wish downvoters would leave a comment on why. It could be 3 words: downvoted for x. I'm really not sure what is so objectionable about asserting that animal abuse is not the same thing as littering.

I think that animal abuse is not the same thing as littering but that the type of people who litter are also the same type on irresponsible people who will think that leaving a rabbit to fend for themselves is no big deal. Either they are clueless and think that rabbits can fend for themselves or they do not care about the consequences of their actions as proven by littering.

Re: Goat Rental – Hire Goats

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Post by gswdh »

0898 wrote: post #119
throwawaylinux wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> is not just incompetent, but where he will actually cause damage - for instance because he has ulterior motives. That made me think it was more. And anyway, as much as the fox does with chickens, the goat knows it will set about to kill and eat plants. There's no real reason to call the fox knowingly malicious and the goat not.

>There's no real reason to call the fox knowingly malicious and the goat not. I think we imagine foxes to have a level of cunning that a placid goat lacks.

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Re: Goat Rental – Hire Goats

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

gommm wrote: post #133
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know commenting on downvotes isn't kosher but I really wish downvoters would leave a comment on why. It could be 3 words: downvoted for x. I'm really not sure what is so objectionable about asserting that animal abuse is not the same thing as littering.

I think that animal abuse is not the same thing as littering but that the type of people who litter are also the same type on irresponsible people who will think that leaving a rabbit to fend for themselves is no big deal. Either they are clueless and think that rabbits can fend for themselves or they do not care about the consequences of their actions as proven by littering.

Sure. But there is something very different about the animal case because most normal people make emotional connections with their pets.

I own a Norwegian forest cat he was a stray and then found and neutered as an adult. I pretty much know that he could survive just fine on his own by hunting rodents, which he sometimes does anyway. But I still wouldn't leave him to fend for himself because I know he's much happier as a pet and I also just don't want him to leave. That's the part I don't really get. And I'm not some bleeding heart animals should have human rights type person either. Even though squirrels are cute, I'm not shedding tears while cleaning one up that the cat brought in. It's a wild animal that got killed by a predator. That's just nature.

I don't understand the emotional calculus of doing thing to an animal you've lived with and taken care of for months. And I really don't think that is normal at all.

Re: Goat Rental – Hire Goats

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Post by xbmcuser »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #86
mingusrude wrote: post #55

My sister has a small farm and in addition to cows and horses she also has rabbits. Every spring, parents show up to buy a rabbit to have at home. When the deal is done my sister takes the parents aside and tell them that if they plan or feel by the end of the summer that they want to let the rabbit loose, they can return it for free. What she does not tell is that our brother-in-law is a chef and happily makes rabbi…

What kind of people adopt a pet, and then release it into the wild? People doing this with cats is one of the reasons stray cats are such a big problem in many places. People dumping cat litters in the woods and what not. And rabbits can be an ecological menace too if allowed to multiply, which they do like rabbits .

A large number of invasive species in many countries are pets that were released in the wild. Snakes and gold fish are probably the most well known among them. Most humans are selfish I think people doing the right thing in private is a lot less common than people assume hence when someone does something unselfish it is celebrated.

Re: Goat Rental – Hire Goats

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Post by chongli »

0898 wrote: post #119
throwawaylinux wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> is not just incompetent, but where he will actually cause damage - for instance because he has ulterior motives. That made me think it was more. And anyway, as much as the fox does with chickens, the goat knows it will set about to kill and eat plants. There's no real reason to call the fox knowingly malicious and the goat not.

>There's no real reason to call the fox knowingly malicious and the goat not. I think we imagine foxes to have a level of cunning that a placid goat lacks.

Goats are anything but placid. They’re tricksters and bullies. They won’t hesitate to charge you from behind and knock you down. They will also happily chew on people’s clothing and long hair. Goats are jerks! They’re also just really funny and lovable.

Re: Goat Rental – Hire Goats

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Post by samatman »

KingMob wrote: post #73
mingusrude wrote: post #55

My sister has a small farm and in addition to cows and horses she also has rabbits. Every spring, parents show up to buy a rabbit to have at home. When the deal is done my sister takes the parents aside and tell them that if they plan or feel by the end of the summer that they want to let the rabbit loose, they can return it for free. What she does not tell is that our brother-in-law is a chef and happily makes rabbi…

> If there was ever a win-win situation, this is it. Say what? She lies via omission to the parents, forcing them to make an uninformed choice. Instead of letting a rabbit loose in the wild, they might have sought another home for it, because they didn't want it to die. Your sister's lies mislead them into thinking they can safely return the rabbit.

They can, in fact, safely return the rabbit to the stew pot.

They're food. Rabbits. People eat them.

It's not better for the rabbit to be turned loose to be mauled to death by a housecat or eaten by a coyote. A shelter is going to euthanize, wasting good meat.

This is squeamishness masquerading as morality.

Re: Goat Rental – Hire Goats

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

mikk14 wrote: post #103
yitchelle wrote: post #54

Story time - My dad asked the local school which had a goat if he can borrow it for a weekend. It was to tame his backyard. As the backyard was enclosed with no chance of the goat escaping, we left it by itself. The goat was be extremely hungry and ate everything insight including the roots, leaves and bark. By Monday, the backyard is barren and took months recover. Moral of the story - keep an eye on the goat.

> with no chance of the goat escaping Bold assumption there. As they say, "if it doesn't hold water it won't hold a goat."

As long as extracting whatever food there is is less effort than circumventing the fence the goat will remain...
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