Why is recruiting developers so difficult?

Post by blibble » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 10:09 PM UTC

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>>> many developers by their mid-30's are sitting on a million+ in assets and good ones can rake in 200K+ easy. What !!! Edit: I did return to tone down my reaction but I would be interested in any (evidence based) research on the pay scales in and out of SV. I understand it is only the very top tech (FAANG) that pay so highly and mostly though share options. It's not like that in Europe I am afraid. But even so, if…

GP definitely lives in a SV/US bubble. Here in Europe I know devs in high CoL areas having less than a thousand Euros left at the end of the month. Having millions in assets is fantasy for us unless you won some crypto/stock gambles.

Post by gsibble » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 10:13 PM UTC

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That's actually quite an insulting thing to say.

But probably true nonetheless.

Post by [deleted] » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 10:26 PM UTC

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My favorite because of how realistic it is, is have me/the candidate do a code review. It's a real world thing that will be a part of most jobs that doesn't require artificial nonsense like coding in a browser, memorizable hacker rank crap, or some throw away time wasting coding challenge. As for if I can code, I have seven public github repos, 3 of which are previous take home challenges of varying degrees of absurd…

I said this elsewhere but reviewing previous projects or doing a code review does help somewhat, but it leaves out my ability to see your actual coding skill re: speed. I need to get a sense of that in order to feel comfortable hiring you. The only way I can do that is if you do some live coding one way or another. How you do it at our company is entirely up to you. With our salaries, we have yet to have anyone turn…

Post by gsibble » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 10:37 PM UTC

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Trust me when I say I've talked to plenty of candidates who I thought were great only to learn they couldn't actually code fizzbuzz. Talking to candidates doesn't work.

You want programmers to do tricks and silly initiation dances which is your whole problem. If you actually asked real questions about their experience then you’d get a good grounding. I might do silly problems for a high profile employer but that’s likely not you. In which case if I tell you to stop wasting my time and walk out of your attempted initiation ritual then you won’t like it.

Post by glouwbug » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 10:48 PM UTC

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Money really doesn't much once you've hit financial independence. I can live out the rest of my days with $1m invested. $200K-$500k annual salary, hell, even $100k, is enough at that point.

“I can live out the rest of my days with ... $200K-$500k annual salary” Sorry, but this isn’t “living out the rest of my days with” money, this is a top 5-1% pay range you’ve just suggested. I don’t necessarily disagree with your point but anyone who needs a $500K salary clearly is not financially independent