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Re: Tech Compensation in Europe

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There will always be someone somewhere who will offer to do your work cheaper than you. I would much rather be paid based on skill than based on location. I think people should be able to make the case that indeed they are more productive than X people from Y location. If not, by all means higher the cheaper people and see how that turns out. For those middling developers who are adversely affected it would make sens…

> I would much rather be paid based on skill than based on location. And that is how societies, especially middle class, gets decimated. Look at what happened to midwest when The Capital discovered that chinese workers are equally skilled at manufacturing stuff at a fraction of the cost. Sometimes, you don't need skillset beyond a certain level to do a job. And I would rather have that job stay in my community to ens…

> And that is how societies, especially middle class, gets decimated. Look at what happened to midwest when The Capital discovered that chinese workers are equally skilled at manufacturing stuff at a fraction of the cost.

Look at what happened w/ workers in China and elsewhere in that same timeframe. It takes two to tango. Why don't mfg towns in China and Southeast Asia count as "strong communities" too? There are plenty of locally-bound jobs in any First-World country - most of those have well-developed service economies after all. But other stuff will just get done wherever it's most convenient.

Re: Tech Compensation in Europe

#132
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Tax returns should be public. Like in Norway. That would sort out all kinds of "payment gap" issues as well.

Helps with salary gaps within those countries, but salaries are still laughable compared to US software engineering salaries. Does anyone know why that is?

Re: Tech Compensation in Europe

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Just wanted to say thanks for putting this together. Looking forward too seeing the dataset grow.

I will take the chance to add our datasets as well (we are running tech job boards with mandatory salary brackets). The data is based on what the companies advertise, and the data size is of around 2000 salaries for each country: - Switzerland: https://swissdevjobs.ch/salaries/all/all - Germany: https://germantechjobs.de/en/salaries/all/all - UK: https://devitjobs.uk/salaries/all/all - Romania: https://devjob.ro/en/s…

> - Romania: https://devjob.ro/en/salaries/

Interesting. The avg salary after tax in romania is 11k ron, around 2300 eur. Tax and national insurance for permanent employees in that country is around 45-50%. So the average pay is around 4400 eur. More than the german average of 45k per year before tax.

Re: Tech Compensation in Europe

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That sounds ...very low, right? Given that it will be very easy to get twice that(and more) in northern Europe.

I make about 24K euros a year after tax in Finland as a (full stack-ish) PHP dev. It's my 3rd year at the company. Is that a bit low then?

Yes. Shop around. Hint: you could probably double that.

Re: Tech Compensation in Europe

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I welcome any competition on the space. Edited out: Levels is just full of dark patterns.

Hey, one of the founders of Levels.fyi here, anything in particular that you didn’t like that we can look into?

Sorry I just realized I confused your website with glassdoor. I just checked out levels and it seems awesome in comparison. What I like in particular is that I do not need to login, which is why I cannot use glassdoor.

Re: Tech Compensation in Europe

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> I would much rather be paid based on skill than based on location. And that is how societies, especially middle class, gets decimated. Look at what happened to midwest when The Capital discovered that chinese workers are equally skilled at manufacturing stuff at a fraction of the cost. Sometimes, you don't need skillset beyond a certain level to do a job. And I would rather have that job stay in my community to ens…

> And that is how societies, especially middle class, gets decimated. Look at what happened to midwest when The Capital discovered that chinese workers are equally skilled at manufacturing stuff at a fraction of the cost. Look at what happened w/ workers in China and elsewhere in that same timeframe. It takes two to tango. Why don't mfg towns in China and Southeast Asia count as "strong communities" too? There are pl…

> Look at what happened w/ workers in China and elsewhere in that same timeframe.

The “cool” thing about neoliberal trade is that it drives internal inequality (usually on pre-existing race, ethnic, tribal, and other distinct subgroup lines of advantage/dusadvantage) in both the more and less developed partners in trade.

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Sweden and Denmark don’t differ in how much “socialist” they are. Also, they’re not socialist countries.

Sweden & Denmark favour high taxes and social responsibility; I'm sure you are aware but in socialist countries, healthcare, education and economic support are all provided free to every citizen, regardless of how much they earn. Sweden & Denmark absolutely live that vision. People get confused because they've conflated socialism and communism, where communism is a means of controlling and distributing the means of p…

...aka "Socialism with Scandinavian Characteristics".

Re: Tech Compensation in Europe

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It'll be interesting when they add Southern Europe. I've seen adverts for experienced developers that pay €35k. And life isn't that much cheaper in the cities here.

That sounds ...very low, right? Given that it will be very easy to get twice that(and more) in northern Europe.

You can get more than 35k in east europe. South europe is not much tech developed and pay is indeed low. In northern europe you get more but pay more in tax so its not really much higher.

Re: Tech Compensation in Europe

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post #109
post #70

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That sounds ...very low, right? Given that it will be very easy to get twice that(and more) in northern Europe.

I make about 24K euros a year after tax in Finland as a (full stack-ish) PHP dev. It's my 3rd year at the company. Is that a bit low then?

You are better off in east europe to be honest.

Re: Tech Compensation in Europe

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I am hyper aware of my strengths, my accolades, my career accomplishments. I have no idea what "employees on similar teams" bring to the table. I am not going to negotiate on their behalf. I am productive. I'll make an immediate impact on your team. I've added millions of dollars in value. I've done international product launches. We can walk through my body of work from the past two decades in detail if you'd like.…

> I negotiate for myself and my family. No, you don't. I get where you are coming from but you are not just negotiating for yourself and your family, others have fractionally negotiated on your behalf in the past and have set expectations that you are going to have to meet or exceed to be able to get hired and the same goes for those that come after you. You do not operate in some kind of idealized vacuum, you are pa…

>If you are fighting against location based pay, you should be asking your employer to pay all employees on similar teams worldwide the same

My response to the OP is to the above.

I don't have to advocate for others. I don't even know the others capabilities, so I can't make an honest case for/against them.

I know my skills. I know my value.

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