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Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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It talks volumes about the internal controls at CB that it took a tweet to expose this. Given the speed with which they grew last two years I expect their financial and security processes to be next to nothing. This is just tip of an iceberg. Insiders would have made tens of millions over last two years of bull run, if not more. This dude just got greedy and unlucky to get caught just as the crypto bubble began burst…

What could they do though? Ask all employees to provide their personal wallet addresses then monitor that? Seems unlikely to happen.

Opsec in crypto funds is terrible

Most serious hedge funds won’t even allow you to bring your cellphone inside the trading pit.

Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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post #91

It talks volumes about the internal controls at CB that it took a tweet to expose this. Given the speed with which they grew last two years I expect their financial and security processes to be next to nothing. This is just tip of an iceberg. Insiders would have made tens of millions over last two years of bull run, if not more. This dude just got greedy and unlucky to get caught just as the crypto bubble began burst…

> Ethereum blockchain wallet “that bought hundreds of thousands of dollars of tokens exclusively featured in the Coinbase Asset Listing post about 24 hours before it was published.” It talks volumes that had they done this in a privately held network, it might have been harder to catch them. All the "blockchain is anonymous, hence it's made by and for fraudsters" is a total nonsense.

Evidence of flaws in using software for a given use case is not evidence that that use case is not what was intended. Software can have bugs or be badly designed for its intended purpose, especially when it comes to security.

People on this forum should understand that better than most.

Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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Why are they being prosecuted? Those are not securities, or are they? "Wire fraud" implies that they defrauded someone by lying to their own advantage over a digital channel. Insider trading is generally legal for non-securities.

EDIT: I am not implying that they shouldn't, on a moral level. They should! I am asking about legal technicalities, and about the state of law around those issues.

Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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post #85
post #24

Didn’t a handful of Coinbase employees make out like bandits before Ethereum was listed? What’s changed since then?

You might be thinking of Charlie Lee? Charlie Lee joined Coinbase, wash traded Litecoin [1] to give the appearance of wider interest and volume in order to get Litecoin listed on Coinbase, and promptly dumped all his bags at the peak. [1] https://i.redd.it/u9vhbxvr63t71.jpg

The best part of the story is the fervour that supporters defended his decision to dump his bags, because "it was good for the coin" or something.

Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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I'm surprised they were table to track the laundering, given it sounds like they used a lot of different wallets.

Companies like Chainalysis and TRM have contracts with almost every federal law enforcement agency. They make this kind of analysis almost trivial.

Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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Unpopular opinion incoming: the concept of insider trading is stupid, and even more stupid applied to cryptocurrency. People will always find ways to profit from privileged information. The least careful ones will just keep getting caught while the most careful reap the rewards and get away with it. Cryptocurrency isn't even a regulated asset, how can someone be 'insider trading' it? What insider trading really means…

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Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

About a fraudster that was caught by a random person who could look at his fraud publicly, under the light of the sun. The part after "fraudster..." is what sets apart the blockchain and traditional financial networks, when it comes to fraud. If you commit fraud in the traditional financial system, only the financial institution has a chance to find it suspicious and tip the government agency responsible to investiga…

>is what sets apart the blockchain and traditional financial networks, when it comes to fraud Are you telling me that fraudsters get caught on the blockchain more than other places?

This might be the same problem as libre open source software: Anyone can search for evidence of fraud (or software bugs) but not many are doing so.

Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

#139
A few hypotheticals I'm curious about:

1. If Coinbase itself had purchased a bunch of coins before listing on its own exchange, would that be illegal?

2. If the employee had purchased coins that were correlated with the ones that were listed, but not the specific ones that were listed, would that be illegal?

Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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post #2

The amounts in these insider trading schemes always seem small to me. $750k per person? If I had advance knowledge of all Coinbase listing announcements I'm pretty sure I could make more than that!

I mean one of the dudes was flying to india. 750k is probably enough to buy some rural property there and live the rest of your life off interest. The less money, the less radar signature.

At least according to levels.fyi an IC6 PM at coinbase can make around 500k/year in total comp.

So if the goal was to acquire a bunch of rural property in India and live off interest it seems that just working and saving for a few years would be a wildly less risky route.

Personally I don't think it's a good risk/reward calculus to try to commit potential felony offenses for levels money that are reasonably in line with what you could eventually get as your annual TC. I can understand a barista at starbucks committing fraud for 750k, but it doesn't seem quite worth it for a PM at one of the highest paying tech companies.

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