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Thoughts on the potato diet

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Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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If this is interesting I highly recommend "The Hungry Brain". Some other thoughts: Obesity is not a disease of over-eating, it is a disease of managing hunger. "Losing weight" is a terrible goal. "Changing Body Composition" is a much better goal. Specifically change the proportion of fat to muscle. ---- If your immediate answer is "Those are the same thing but with different words!!!" then here are some questions to…

> "Losing weight" is a terrible goal. "Changing Body Composition" is a much better goal. Specifically change the proportion of fat to muscle.

400lb of muscles or fat is probably not healthy either way...

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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The only reason the potato diet is interesting to me (and presumably the reason it's interesting to the https://slimemoldtimemold.com/ folks) is the likely relationship to their environmental contaminant hypothesis for the public health issue of increasing body weights since 1980, outlined in a series of posts here: http://achemicalhunger.com/ In short, while the variety and satiety explanations make a lot of sense s…

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7iAABhWpcGeP5e6SB/it-s-proba...

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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I tried the potato diet. I consider myself a lean guy, but I wanted to try it for a month before recommending it to my overweight relatives.

I stopped after two weeks mostly because the stomach became rather bloated. There was no weight change.

Then I tried a similar rice diet. Basically one eats rice (both white and brown are OK) with few fruits or fruit juices. To my surprise I lost about 5 kg in 25 days and then the weight loss stopped during the last weak. There were no apparent strength loss judging by weigh lifting results or uphill jogging. There were no other side effects. Now I recommend this, not potato diet.

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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Eat less food and move more. There's literally nothing to losing weight beyond that. It's incredible to me the amount of mental gymnastics that people will perform to avoid facing this.

Even if those are the fundamentals, it's still worth looking at the thought patterns that some people get trapped in which prevent them doing what is considered "easy" by others, and especially understanding if those traps are subject to certain tricks or shortcuts.

For example, I put on about 20lbs early in the pandemic just from being around the house and being able to snack all the time, plus having ice cream a lot in the evenings before bed (I don't think I was particularly "stress eating", but maybe more like... boredom eating?). And yes, if a dietician or trainer had had me keep a food log, this would have clearly shown up and it would have been obvious what needed to change.

What actually worked for me, though, was not just cutting out the snacking but also shifting my mindset back to a place where I'm okay with being slightly hungry some of the time. Like, it's okay to feel peckish in the afternoon— it's not a problem that needs to be solved by having a snack, it's just a sign that I'm going to be good and hungry come dinner time. Same in the evening: I don't need to go to bed stuffed, I can just make sure to eat a solid dinner, and then plan on eating well at breakfast in the morning. That plus some protein shakes and getting more cardio (swimming, cycling), and I've been steadily shedding about a pound a week; I'm now below my pre-pandemic weight.

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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There's actually some science behind this diet. Potatoes are the highest scoring food on the satiety index. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/15-incredibly-filling-f... Basically they're the most filling food per calorie. So if you subscribe to the idea that losing weight is mainly about how many calories you consume, a potato heavy diet should be effective. And an all potato diet, while monomaniacal, even more ef…

I wonder where the misinformation that potatoes were unhealthy / fattening came from? Was it from french fries and fried starches?

Also, potatoes (Russets especially) are an excellent source of potassium, which most people are grossly deficient in.

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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post #131
post #35

If this is interesting I highly recommend "The Hungry Brain". Some other thoughts: Obesity is not a disease of over-eating, it is a disease of managing hunger. "Losing weight" is a terrible goal. "Changing Body Composition" is a much better goal. Specifically change the proportion of fat to muscle. ---- If your immediate answer is "Those are the same thing but with different words!!!" then here are some questions to…

> "Losing weight" is a terrible goal. "Changing Body Composition" is a much better goal. Specifically change the proportion of fat to muscle. 400lb of muscles or fat is probably not healthy either way...

I don't think this is a good faith comment. It is very difficult and rare to add that much muscle.

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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There's actually some science behind this diet. Potatoes are the highest scoring food on the satiety index. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/15-incredibly-filling-f... Basically they're the most filling food per calorie. So if you subscribe to the idea that losing weight is mainly about how many calories you consume, a potato heavy diet should be effective. And an all potato diet, while monomaniacal, even more ef…

A couple years back I tried making colecanon due to a random suggestion from a friend. It's just mashed potatoes mixed with cabbage or kale or such, seasoned as you like. I do a version where I brown the cabbage in butter first.

I was surprised just how satisfying a plate of it as a meal, and thought exactly the same thing: I'm pretty sure you could live on that stuff indefinitely and be in great shape.

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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CGMs should disillusion people of this pretty quickly. I really wish more people would try them for a month just to see how they respond to certain foods.

I did and would recommend. It shows you the impact of foods in your blood glucose and made it easier to convince myself and change my behavior. Some lessons I got from using it for 2 months (these are personal, some should apply to most people): - Plantains cause a BIG glucose spike (I thought they didnt; in my case even more than pasta or rice) - Walking ~10min after a meal removes the glucose spike of even pretty l…

Correct me if I'm wrong but I feel that your comment is trying to connect a "big glucose spike" with the cause of diabetes. They are not connected. Millions of people are eating apples, grapes, plantains, strawberries, raspberries, etc every year without issue.

To tell people to avoid these healthy foods is not backed by the science. And so what if it raises your levels temporarily? Running raises my heart rate and blood pressure. Does that mean I'm about to die?

Re: Thoughts on the potato diet

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> Obesity is not a disease of over-eating, it is a disease of managing hunger. Indeed it is, and the solution to managing hunger (i.e. returning your whole insulin and leptin system to a more optimal baseline) is NOT going for a 90% carbohydrate diet. That's exactly why we have a bloody obesity epidemic. It's a fun thought experiment, but reading the comments in here people actually think this is genius and sustainab…

Do you really believe that the obesity epidemic was caused by people eating 90% carbohydrate diets? The "high carb meals" at McDonald's, Burger King, Pizza Hut... are all also (and more per calorie) high in fat. Add 2 tablespoons of olive oil to your mixed-green salad? That has turned into a high fat salad. Most people cannot avoid cheese or nuts on salad, either. Eating the potato diet with sour cream/butter/cheese:…

I'm overweight because I eat too much. Eat caloric surplus, gain weight. That part isn't complicated. Why I eat too much is another question...
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