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EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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The only questionable part is end-to-end encryption. I don't see how you can make your messaging apps interoperable and have E2E encryption. Most of the other things: mostly good. Apple and Google need to be taken down a peg or 10.

Couldn't you have the clients send each other their public keys as the first step in the conversation?

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

#132
post #99

in as much this bring native firefox i.e gecko engines to iOS it will also mean innovative native apps not just on iOS since you won't be restricted to native apps that use apple technology ie Swift, UIKit etc you could totally write an app that renders using a game engine in Rust whatever and as long it compiles for the platform you're good to go. One thing though, hopefully sandboxing is maintained

You can already do that right now (even Vulkan should work fine through MoltenVk), although accessibility will be poor when compared with Apple's offering unless significant effort is invested.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

#133

This is huge. Forcing Apple to allow app side-loading, third-party payments, etc is going to wrest away control of the iOS ecosystem (and eat pretty heavily into their revenues [1] [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/apple-implies-it-generated-r... I hope some of these regulations spill over into the U.S. and the rest of the world.

Never underestimate the creative genius of Apple. They will come up with new solutions to keep their walled garden. "Allow users to install apps from third-party app stores and sideload directly from the internet" I bet this is going to be a horrible user experience. "Are you really sure?", "Apple takes no responsibility not warranty" whatsoever. What sound usually easy on paper...

They backed out from these tricks in the Netherland standoff. As you guessed, it started with horrible wording, and has now became something way saner (albeit they kept their fees requirements)

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

#134

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"...amounts to the accumulation of wealth and power outside of the commons..." Considering that we're talking about a publicly traded company, "the commons" (as you decided to label them) have the ability to purchase stocks (the right to recieve a certain percentage of in of the aformentioned company as well as voting power). The legislation doesn't address anything regarding stocks and if anything, it requires compa…

> "the commons" (as you decided to label them) This is a defined term and doesn't mean a group/class of people (as you seemed to have interpreted it). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commons

"...doesn't mean a group/class of people..." I'm well aware of that, as well as the definition, however, i've come across incorrect usage of the term on SMS as the short form for "common man/common people". Considering the context of that persons comment, i was under assumption that they use that term incorrectly, hence why i've put it in quotation. Regardless, my point still stands. "The commons is the cultural and natural resources accessible to all members of a society, including natural materials such as air, water, and a habitable Earth. These resources are held in common even when owned privately or publicly. Commons can also be understood as natural resources that groups of people (communities, user groups) manage for individual and collective benefit.". Note that the definition provided by you acknowledges various form of ownerships (private vs public) and that aspect is the core of my response to that comment.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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post #67

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Kind of. So the primary issue is that Apple collectively bargains on behalf of customers against developers. So if you take something like privacy rights, Apple can say "hey, we've got all of these users and if you want to participate in the ecosystem you have to not track their data" - as an example. Now what happens is that companies like Facebook and others who really want to get your data without that pesky Apple…

> Facebook and others to start such stores that don't respect privacy rights This is trotted out every time, but these doomsaying scenarios always miss out that this is far harder to achieve than it seems, from a product and business perspective. They can build it, but consumers are unlikely to come. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30808926

If consumers are unlikely to come and major corporations aren't going to open their own app stores or migrate to third-party app stores, then what kind of companies are going to need to have a third-party app store that's uncontrolled by Apple? Do you think these companies have spent this much money on marketing and bankrolling lobbyists in the US and EU for no reason?

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

#136
post #80

I hope they’ll fight it off. I don’t want to lose all privacy and security I have now on iOS.

Interoperability is not mutually exclusive with security. You are welcome to continue using the App Store.

> You are welcome to continue using the App Store.

As long as apps remain available on the App Store. I wouldn’t be surprised to see, e.g., Facebook making their messaging app available via sideloading only in order to circumvent Apple’s privacy rules.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

#138
post #88

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> Still unsure how Apple & co. will make their proprietary video and messaging platforms "interoperable". I doubt they'll be writing an RFC any time soon. I'd be pretty happy if I could integrate iMessage and Signal together, since I hate the fact that iMessage is the only messaging platform with a native macOS app.

What's Signal on Mac, Electron?

Yes.

Signal.app/Contents/Frameworks/Electron Framework.framework

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

#139
post #103

This is huge. Forcing Apple to allow app side-loading, third-party payments, etc is going to wrest away control of the iOS ecosystem (and eat pretty heavily into their revenues [1] [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/apple-implies-it-generated-r... I hope some of these regulations spill over into the U.S. and the rest of the world.

Oh, I'm sure Apple can drag this out for years and year in the courts lobbing health and safty arguments etc.

Only if the EU court is willing to suspend sanctions during that time. That's not what happened with Microsoft for instance.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

#140

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Sounds like Apple needs to work harder to make Safari into a better mobile browser, if you're so sure that Chrome would win.

There’s other browsers on android. No one uses them. Safari is great. It works. No issues. But developers will do what they did to ie. develop for chrome and shove a banner up blocking safari.

Again, sounds like Apple needs to do a better job improving Safari. If developers and consumers choose Chrome, it's up to competitors to find a way to disrupt their lead, not engage in monopolistic practices to stop a monopoly.
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