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Re: Vite – Next Generation Front End Tooling

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Post by sam0x17 »

blowski wrote: post #69
thrdbndndn wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a developer and particularly not a front-end one. I have this problem all the time. Even some of the more "obvious" ones, say, nuxtjs, I have a hard time to get what exactly it offers and why I should use it.

Devil's Advocate position here. I don't know much about carpentry, and if I look at a website selling saws, I will struggle to understand the difference between different models. Dumbing down to an extent that I understand (when I probably won't buy the product anyway) risks alienating the target market that will. Due to customer demands, end-user requirements, and device fragmentation, front-end development has genu…

Sticking with your analogy, in the early 2000s we built cabinents and intricate mantelpieces and things ike that, and there were essentially no tools. In the early 2022s we still build cabinents and intricate mantelpieces, but there are a million tools. Meanwhile browser support has become way more consistent across the board and CSS has become easier, yet we think we need super complex tools to do the same tasks we did back in the day.

Re: Vite – Next Generation Front End Tooling

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Post by somenewaccount1 »

kossTKR wrote: post #59

Working with front end for 5+ years have nearly made me switch careers. There's an absolute onslaught of languages, frameworks, patterns and now also "tools" that never really work in you editor, and you never really grasp before moving on to the next thing. I think me and my team have spent 90% of our time working with tooling, and all creativity and joy has gone out the window - because you never become a master, a…

I can't wait for deno.js to really skyrocket. It solves all of this garbage packaging dependency nonsense.

Re: Vite – Next Generation Front End Tooling

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Post by hardwaregeek »

monkey_monkey wrote: post #124
hardwaregeek wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may notice that all of the negative comments are around superficial nitpicking of the website copy or general bemoaning of the state of front end development. The first is sort of useful in a minor way; the second is pretty useless and generally tired. Vite is a great tool that I’d recommend for anyone who wants to speed up their front end build setup.

> the second is pretty useless and generally tired. Is it really useless though? I wish the front end community tried to make existing things better instead of reinventing the wheel every year and causing immense fragmentation, especially for something like the build toolchain.

Fragmentation is political though. You can’t really solve this issue unless someone or something is forcing people to coalesce around one tool. Webpack was great but it had noticeable flaws that allowed tools like esbuild/rollup/swc to gain market share. And it’s not like webpack can easily do what esbuild did, I.e. rewrite in multithreaded Go. If you can propose a way to get everybody on the same tool, by all means, let’s do it.

What annoys me about this discourse is that anybody in the front end world knows this is an issue. People aren’t contributing anything by complaining about it.

Re: Vite – Next Generation Front End Tooling

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Post by superzamp »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #126
krick wrote: post #46

It gave me a pause to think about how it came that I can never really tell what am I looking at anymore. Forget the HN title, which is stupid — what does this landing page tell me? Well, that it's… next gen, and it apparently can catch up with me, which is not much, since I'm not really catching up with what's going on anyway. Also, that it's "tooling". Like IDE, or framework, or maybe a chainsaw. Can't tell. "Gettin…

Terrible landing page for an otherwise excellent tool. It sets up JS transpiling and bundling for you in an easy way, then provide a server with pretty fast hot reload. This solves 2 problems: - the complicated js project stack is now simple to setup, unlike with webpack - saving and seeing the result of your coding is now almost instant, unlike with CRA It's a joy to use, given that it's from VueJS author, and I hig…

Would this replace parcel or be adjacent to it?

Re: Vite – Next Generation Front End Tooling

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Post by SCLeo »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #126
krick wrote: post #46

It gave me a pause to think about how it came that I can never really tell what am I looking at anymore. Forget the HN title, which is stupid — what does this landing page tell me? Well, that it's… next gen, and it apparently can catch up with me, which is not much, since I'm not really catching up with what's going on anyway. Also, that it's "tooling". Like IDE, or framework, or maybe a chainsaw. Can't tell. "Gettin…

Terrible landing page for an otherwise excellent tool. It sets up JS transpiling and bundling for you in an easy way, then provide a server with pretty fast hot reload. This solves 2 problems: - the complicated js project stack is now simple to setup, unlike with webpack - saving and seeing the result of your coding is now almost instant, unlike with CRA It's a joy to use, given that it's from VueJS author, and I hig…

I have been using parcel for web development because I thought webpack is very difficult to use. However, for my latest personal project, I tried webpack. To my surprise, I found webpack 5 much simpler to use then I thought it is (significantly easier than make or gradle, the complexity is not even on the same level). Everything pretty much worked out of box now. All I had to do was to copy the starting template for typescript from their website (~20 lines, half of which are open/closing brackets) and copy the setup for dev server. HMR, code splitting via dynamic imports, etc. all worked without any setup.

Re: Vite – Next Generation Front End Tooling

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Post by finfinfin »

devxpy wrote: post #119
kossTKR wrote: post #59

Working with front end for 5+ years have nearly made me switch careers. There's an absolute onslaught of languages, frameworks, patterns and now also "tools" that never really work in you editor, and you never really grasp before moving on to the next thing. I think me and my team have spent 90% of our time working with tooling, and all creativity and joy has gone out the window - because you never become a master, a…

Try flutter, its a breath of fresh air!

Does Flutter still render everything in a canvas? This has been a huge turn off for me.

Re: Vite – Next Generation Front End Tooling

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Post by somenewaccount1 »

sascha_sl wrote: post #44
omarhaneef wrote: post #35

Almost all the comments are from those who have tried it. (And most people apparently love it). Why? Because it never tells you what it does. It’s “front end tooling” which could be anything from a new JS target language to a framework to something else. The features don’t help: it’s fast. That could apply to anything. It’s only when they talk about the alternatives like ESBuild and webpack that I get a sense of what…

It's in the first section when you click the one colored button ("Getting Started") on the front page: Vite (French word for "quick", pronounced /vit/, like "veet") is a build tool that aims to provide a faster and leaner development experience for modern web projects. It consists of two major parts: * A dev server that provides rich feature enhancements over native ES modules, for example extremely fast Hot Module R…

You are repeating the feedback "...when you click...". Get rid of the click. Landing page should say what it does. If the author doesn't know or accept feedback on this website 101 topic, I doubt they revolutionized much elsewhere.

Re: Vite – Next Generation Front End Tooling

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Post by ipaddr »

blowski wrote: post #69
thrdbndndn wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a developer and particularly not a front-end one. I have this problem all the time. Even some of the more "obvious" ones, say, nuxtjs, I have a hard time to get what exactly it offers and why I should use it.

Devil's Advocate position here. I don't know much about carpentry, and if I look at a website selling saws, I will struggle to understand the difference between different models. Dumbing down to an extent that I understand (when I probably won't buy the product anyway) risks alienating the target market that will. Due to customer demands, end-user requirements, and device fragmentation, front-end development has genu…

It feels like this big struggle and effort to end up with another jquery in a few years because in the end that's what works and feels right

Re: Vite – Next Generation Front End Tooling

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Post by barkingcat »

I find it really funny that the word "javascript" doesn't appear anywhere on the entire first landing page. You have to click into "Why Vite" and then about 1/2 way into the first sentence, then you see "javascript"

I was wondering "exactly what kind of front end?" C? C++? Swift? iOS front end? some kind of GUI framework? Windows app development?

Modern day Javascript web ecosystem is a nightmare.

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