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Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Post by josephcsible »

W0lf wrote: post #128

Why did the pins stay in place once they have been pushed into the correct position with the lockpick in the first example (for the old regular lock). I didn’t understand that and would assume that those pins fall back down once the lockpick moves to the next one?

In a hypothetical perfect lock, they would fall back down. But in real life, every lock has slight imperfections, like not all of the pins being exactly the same diameter, and not all of the pin chambers being perfectly lined up. It's these imperfections that let previous pins bind and stay up when you move on to picking other ones.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Post by trompetenaccoun »

franciscop wrote: post #98
harrisi wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The interaction of engineering and "use" by the Lock Picking Lawyer ( https://youtu.be/Ecy1FBdCRbQ ) was fascinating - "use" here really meaning "exploiting". It's a problem many here are aware of, either by over-engineering things intended for use by non-engineers, or designing things to be used by customers when the designer isn't intimately familiar with the use. In this case it was sort of somewhere in between. I…

Def want to see Enclave's under Lock Picking Lawyer! If you make a "unpickable lock" you'd def want to send it to LPL, that's like the ultimate proof of how easy/hard it is to pick. The fact that there's no video, with how approachable LPL is and accepts random locks in his PO box, can only be seen as a red flag. Do it in the open, like Stuff Made Here!

Didn't know HN had so many lock experts and lawyers frequenting the site. Dozens of comments have already detected an IP violation, half the thread is recommending ways the lock can be tested or people it needs to be sent to for confirmation of the unpickable claim...

As someone who doesn't know anything about lockpicking, I feel like part of a weird minority here. What do I know but I'd assumed one would take it to a convention or competition where the best lockpickers in the world meet, not a youtuber. Something like this: https://www.wired.com/2014/12/international-competition-mast...

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Post by lrvick »

I am a reasonably capable lockpicker and lock collector with hundreds of locks of every mechanism I can get my hands on... and as LPL often demonstrates, the vast majority of them, particularly the move clever seeming designs, are actually easy to pick.

I have one of the Enclave lock prototypes on my desk and can confirm the machining is brilliant and I have no idea how one could approach picking this. No feedback at all for correct vs incorrect.

I plan on taking it to my local SF Toool meetup to see if any of the true experts there can come up with anything.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Post by np1810 »

eks391 wrote: post #112
grishka wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And just like that, we got this open.

Now to do it again to make sure it wasn't a fluke

In any case, that's all I have for you today, if you do have any questions or comments about this please put them below if you like this video and would like to see more like it please subscribe and as always have a nice day, thank you!

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Post by leeoniya »

espadrine wrote: post #129
Cyclical wrote: post #13

While very cool and seemingly well-designed, this seems like a derivative of the lock developed by the YouTuber StuffMadeHere. A little strange to see someone applying for a patent for a version of someone else's design.

It is even closer to the design I published a year ago: https://github.com/espadrine/lock-designs/blob/main/commitme... I don’t see how this patent has any legs to stand on.

would likely depend on whether the filing date was before or after this, but yeah, this would likely invalidate any claims for the most interesting improvements over the SMH designs

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Post by dwohnitmok »

Akronymus wrote: post #105
exikyut wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's copy-pasted from the description on the webpage :D I was definitely not expecting that either.

I meant, what is the webpage referencing?

That lock pick was enormously popular and hotly anticipated, because it was designed by Lock Picking Lawyer and Bosnian Bill (two popular YouTubers) and mentioned in their videos. In fact most likely the overwhelming majority of visitors to the Sparrows website were there solely to see that lock pick and had never heard of Sparrows before.

That product description is making light of this reality. No matter what they write in the description field, it's all "blah blah blah" that most readers are going to skip over except the two crucial terms "Lock Picking Lawyer" and "Bosnian Bill." Everything else is wasted space. (And then they just threw in a couple of other random phrases for fun and to see if people were paying attention)

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Post by pilaf »

swighton wrote: post #44

Interesting design. I made a lock a couple years ago that is quite similar in principle (though this design is different and has a couple nice improvements). https://youtu.be/_7vPNcnYWQ4 One of my main goals is to be an inspiration, though if it was based by my design I wish they’d credit it. Especially since they’re patenting it.

Although I've seen pretty much all of your videos, I'm ashamed to say I couldn't remember your name, so I googled "Andrew Magill" expecting your face to pop up.
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