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Wikimedia Enterprise announces Google and Internet Archive as first customers

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Re: Wikimedia Enterprise announces Google and Internet Archive as first customers

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Post by endisneigh »

bawolff wrote: post #129
endisneigh wrote: post #127

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They’re a non profit, you can go and see Google’s contributions easily yourself. Google is one of the biggest single entity donors

Where? All i could find is they donated > $50,000 but i dont see how much more. I guess it depends how much more, but that doesn't particularly seem like a lot relative to WMF's annual budget.

https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/22/google-org-donates-2-milli...

You’d have to look at their annual reports to get more granular info

Re: Wikimedia Enterprise announces Google and Internet Archive as first customers

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Post by bawolff »

endisneigh wrote: post #131
bawolff wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where? All i could find is they donated > $50,000 but i dont see how much more. I guess it depends how much more, but that doesn't particularly seem like a lot relative to WMF's annual budget.

https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/22/google-org-donates-2-milli... You’d have to look at their annual reports to get more granular info

The annual report does not have this info as far as i can tell.

That article is about the endowment not WMF itself. It might all be connected, but the endowment is removed enough that i think the argument that the donation gives google any control is silly.

It also says that there was a 1.1 million donation to WMF proper, based on a vote of google staff. Really not seeing the potential control there, given that it wasnt really directed by google executive. Regardless, i dont think a donation that is only ~1% of the annual budget is enough to give google any control

Re: Wikimedia Enterprise announces Google and Internet Archive as first customers

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Post by codethief »

hansword wrote: post #114
ryan_lane wrote: post #109

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Stop spreading misinformation. The budget data is open. You're discussing server costs, but need to also consider hosting and data center costs, as well as employee salaries. Running Wikimedia is a pretty decent percentage of their budget. Part of the reason for other parts of the budget is attempting to increase editor numbers in a world where direct readership is declining (because of products like Google's knowled…

Yes it is open, and for some reason you forgot to link it: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/1/1e/Wikim... As you can see, from 112M total expenses, internet hosting is 2.4M (or 2%), and 'other operating expenses' is 10M (or 9%). This is 11% of expenses. This compares to 56M for salaries and 23M for awards and grants. Where is the misinformation? (Conflict of interest statement: I am an editor on Wiki…

> As you can see, from 112M total expenses, internet hosting is 2.4M (or 2%), and 'other operating expenses' is 10M (or 9%). This is 11% of expenses. This compares to 56M for salaries and 23M for awards and grants. Where is the misinformation?

I believe the parent already answered your question:

> You're discussing server costs, but need to also consider hosting and data center costs, as well as employee salaries. Running Wikimedia is a pretty decent percentage of their budget.

The numbers you presented confirm this statement: 56M (salaries) + 2.4M (hosting) + 10M (other operating expenses) = 68.4M (61%)

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