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Why does science news suck so much?

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Re: Why does science news suck so much?

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I subscribed to Nature magazine, and I don't see that it ,,sucks so much''. The answer is simple: you get what you pay for. Also there are lots of high quality youtube channels for any specific area of science...some of my favourites: - Everyday Astronout (his interviews with Elon were awesome) - CrisprTalk (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8TW2xKYRqbLvfGaT783WQA/videos)... a retired guy with lots of lab experience…

Nature and Science took a big hit in my personal rating because they allow/encourage the publication of reviewer names for accepted papers. I think this will corrupt the review process in the long run. In addition with their clear money making agenda and limited preprint compatibility (this might have changed), I strongly prefer Physics Review Letters.

Why I am highly critical of Nature (and to somewhat lesser degree of Science) I do believe the review process needs much more transparency. I am not yet convinced that making reviews public will make much difference to the better, however saying it will corrupt the review process is completely missing how broken the process is right now, in particular for these high-impact journals. Some copernicus journals [1] (I have no association, never even published there) seem to follow some interesting ideas.

[1] https://publications.copernicus.org/open-access_journals/jou...

Re: Why does science news suck so much?

#132

There is a saying: “those who can do, do, and those who can’t do, teach.” Maybe it would be fair to augment that with, “those who don’t understand a subject well enough to do or teach, report.” The problem is particularly bad in science journalism, but exists across the board. Financial journalism is really the only area I’ve seen where the journalists tend to have real backgrounds in the subject. And unsurprisingly…

That is because there is actually audience willing to pay for the quality content. We really should solve how to pay for content problem. Subscription is not cutting it, but per article seems to be abandoned. Add driven drives everything to crap.

Couple of years ago I was joking that Jezebel and EverydayFeminism dies because NYTimes became them with better spellcheck. Unfortunately not a joke anymore.

Re: Why does science news suck so much?

#134

There is a saying: “those who can do, do, and those who can’t do, teach.” Maybe it would be fair to augment that with, “those who don’t understand a subject well enough to do or teach, report.” The problem is particularly bad in science journalism, but exists across the board. Financial journalism is really the only area I’ve seen where the journalists tend to have real backgrounds in the subject. And unsurprisingly…

This is an arrogant and toxic saying. Let's not repeat it let alone add to it please.

Re: Why does science news suck so much?

#135
Among my TV jobs, I was a science reporter in a highly rated news show in Israel. Younger, more educated audience, relatively long attention spans and all.

Because the EP trusted my judgement, Science items on that show had 4 minutes max, which was very generous, considering that news items can be given 1:40-2:00 on 8pm news and 2:30 for late-night.

During those 4 minutes, every box of daily journalism still had to be checked:

• Is it clear?

• Does it explain why it's news?

• Is it informing people of an ongoing event they're familiar with?

• If it's entirely new, are they given enough context to make independent judgement?

Unfortunately, scientific content rarely checks these boxes. If you want to explain the LIGO gravitational waves discovery or the Higgs Boson discovery, you can't give enough background for the user to feel informed other than "scientists believe this is significant" - so it's only fit for print. If you want to explain a new discovery in 4 minutes, it better come with a demo, that demo better be rendered/filmed like a product video, or people lose interest.

So the science you end up covering is either from highly funded labs (think labs in Harvard and MIT that have DOD/industry sponsorship), or venture-funded companies with whitepapers and cool demos.

If you're lucky, you have a relationship with the labs, and you get to serve as their informal media adviser. I often met with professors for coffee to teach them to make press kits for their papers.

As a researcher, if you do market your paper, you run the risk of the press distorting it, as OP said.

tl;dr: science is slow and rigorous. News defers rigor to the extent permitted by law. Incentives follow.

Re: Why does science news suck so much?

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The impact is they aren’t malnourished? Seems like a good goal. Edit: we prioritize feeding people over giving them educational science articles; seems appropriate

Many things are noble goals. Why is one to be preferred over another?

It’s easier to talk about feeding children to ignore stuff like out of control military acquisition or allowing oil companies to pillage public lands for peanuts.

Re: Why does science news suck so much?

#137
It's just that science is easy to verify for the people that know how. If you are actual expect of any other topics (thus can verify if their news is any good), you'll find the news for those topics is at best as bad as for science, if not much worse. News cannot be 100% faithful to the material it covers, and the more you understand about the topics, the more discrepancy you can see.

Re: Why does science news suck so much?

#138

Because science is reaaaally hard to generalise for the public, and Universities love to put out press releases. Finding someone qualified to go to for comment is not straightforward. They’re not necessarily even going to be in your country. I’m a physicist by background and even when active in academia it was hard for me to understand some papers in closely related sub fields, and that was with working experience in…

> it was hard for me to understand some papers in closely related sub fields, and that was with working experience in that area.

I've noticed this too. The reason why I think this happens is because if you're an employed scientist, then the system is set up in such a way that you HAVE to publish, or else you lose your job. If someone criticizes your paper, and it gets pulled from publication, then thats the same as having never published anything in the first place. Therefore, the technique to survival is to write your paper in such a way that repels criticism as much as possible. The easiest way to do this is to write it in such a way that makes it hard to read, but not in such a way that makes it obvious it's gibberish.

Re: Why does science news suck so much?

#139

The irony here is that Sabine Hossenfelder falls into exactly the same patterns as the science media that she is criticizing. A punchy headline, with significant oversimplifications. For example, she makes it sound like science news is always aimed at scientists, and that they do not explain the science (I have several excellent counter examples). That doesn't mean there is not some very good points in there (e.g. pu…

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Re: Why does science news suck so much?

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post #134

There is a saying: “those who can do, do, and those who can’t do, teach.” Maybe it would be fair to augment that with, “those who don’t understand a subject well enough to do or teach, report.” The problem is particularly bad in science journalism, but exists across the board. Financial journalism is really the only area I’ve seen where the journalists tend to have real backgrounds in the subject. And unsurprisingly…

This is an arrogant and toxic saying. Let's not repeat it let alone add to it please.

Someone made a statement of opinion without supporting evidence. You followed that up with another statement of opinion without supporting evidence. As a result no consensus was reached and this entire exchange went no where.

Why do you think it was an arrogant and toxic statement? Do you disagree that financial journalism is better? Do you think finance journalism itself is toxic? Do you have evidence that a belief such as "finance jounalism is generally more excellent than others" is toxic in some way?

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