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Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by asddubs »

ecshafer wrote: post #111
dekerta wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No need. Safari fills that role for us now

Wouldn't that be Chrome? Internet Explorer had dominant market share, non-standardized features, and powerful corporate backing. Chrome has dominant market share, non-standardized features, and powerful corporate backing. Safari doesn't have the newest standards always, but mostly sticks to the standards from what I know. The major difference seems to be a lot of devs liking Chrome.

They both have some parallels to IE in their own ways. Chrome for the reasons you mentioned, safari because:

-Coupled to OS updates, meaning that people on older versions of the OS will also have an older browser, with worse standards support (thankfully apples upgrade policies aren't as bad as android manufacturers, or this would be way worse)

-lagging behind on standard features with less frequent, big updates that still often end up missing crucial things (my prime example is how long it took them to support webp, which they thankfully finally support now, but there's plenty of others)

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by DrSiemer »

samwillis wrote: post #91
space_ghost wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly remember using Firebug in Firefox (mind-blowing tools, for the time) in ~2008 and having to debug issues in IE, which had the equivalent of a Check Engine Light for debugging.

So true, debugging with alert()… There was Firebug Light, which from memory was a bookmarklet that injected a cut down firebug into the page, but even that didn’t help much.

Not owning any Apple products myself, my only option was a free online emulator to try and fix a bug on older iOS systems. It did not support console logs, so I was trying to debug using alert() as far back as yesterday. It didn't help, I only managed to find the issue through xCode on a random Mac.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by user_7832 »

I posted this as a reply to a comment here but I felt it would be better to ask as a separate comment -

Does anyone (especially from MS) know why later versions of IE and pre-chromium Edge were so good and snappy with scrolling? The level of accuracy and speed was incredible (on touchpads at least) - it was probably the last time I had an interaction on a computer that made me go "wow".

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by asddubs »

kazinator wrote: post #113

I found IE11 pretty useful recently. I made to the web UI of a firmware device, and needed to check whether it will work with old browsers as far back as IE9. Because IE11 has an emulation mode, I didn't have to install IE9. Thank you, IE11! :)

yeesh, ie9, my condolences.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by fartcannon »

tiborsaas wrote: post #50
fartcannon wrote: post #44

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Firefox rose to power because people like you and me used it. We told people to use it. This can happen again, we just need to collectively stop feeding these monopoly wannabes.

If you don't feed the wannabes then how do you dethrone the actual monopolies? :)

Ha, touché.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by nazgulsenpai »

Tijdreiziger wrote: post #58
philliphaydon wrote: post #33

First time I ever wanted to embed an image into a HN comment. This image is so fitting! https://i.imgur.com/MgGvQHH.png

And for more IE-related humor, I recommend the following webcomic: https://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/internet-explorer/list...

I clicked to laugh at a meme for a second and ended up reading an intriguing action packed drama about anthropomorphized web tech. This is awesome! Thanks for sharing :)

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by vetinari »

brazzledazzle wrote: post #57
raxxorraxor wrote: post #23

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I used it to authenticate against some webdav intranet sites hosted on Sharepoint Online. Formerly on a SSO standard windows AD integrated system you needed to open internet explorer once. It did some arcane voodoo in the background you didn't need to do anything with it, just close it again. But if you did that you could connect to Sharepoint sites through the file explorer via webdav. This process needed to be repe…

Probably getting you a kerberos ticket (which would subsequently be available to other services like explorer). Hitting it with another browser (which need to be configured to use Kerberos) probably led to an NTLM auth in response to the Negotiate header. NTLM isn’t a global credential and doesn’t get a kerberos ticket.

Both Firefox and Chrome can get the kerberos ticket themselves, but it is necessary to whitelist sites that can use spnego. For Firefox, the settings are separate for ntlm and spnego, so one can be disabled and the other whitelisted.

Interestingly, Edge for Linux doesn't support spnego at all.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by ratww »

dheerajvs wrote: post #98
wolframhempel wrote: post #10

I started my career 2008 building real estate and stock news websites. Back then, sooooo much of my days were spent making things "IE compatible" using techniques like: - creating sprite sheets of transparent png corners and sides that one could arrange in a table around an element to create drop-shadows and rounded corners - putting single pixel, transparent gifs at the end of floated containers because clearfix use…

I won't be able to celebrate for a long time to come. I have to support running an Outlook add-in in Outlook 2016 on Windows, which uses the IE11 rendering engine.

Just in case you haven’t heard: Microsoft recently announced that they won’t hold it against you if you drop support for IE11 in add-ins. Your customers might still complain, though.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-US/office/dev/add-ins/develop/...

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by xhrpost »

wolframhempel wrote: post #10

I started my career 2008 building real estate and stock news websites. Back then, sooooo much of my days were spent making things "IE compatible" using techniques like: - creating sprite sheets of transparent png corners and sides that one could arrange in a table around an element to create drop-shadows and rounded corners - putting single pixel, transparent gifs at the end of floated containers because clearfix use…

Imagine having a piece of software where you have 95% global market dominance, a near complete monopoly. And then decide not to update said software in the slightest (other than security fixes) for 6 straight years. Kind of mind blowing.
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