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Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by cpursley »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #126
cpursley wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not Russian but B1 level Russian speaker with lots of experience in that country and armchair general of the 404th chairborn division. On your 2nd and 3rd points, you might be right. But have you considered the Russian war technique of Maskirovka and military feints? Maybe (somewhat) surrounding the capital city was pure incompetence or was actually part of the plan, either way, it sufficiency tied up and discombobul…

> But have you considered the Russian war technique of Maskirovka and military feints? From what information I was able to absorb about the start of the campaign, I think that Putin indeed was planning to take Kiev and Kharkiv in less than a week, and then suppress the riots there using riot police - as evidenced by him bringing in riot police troops equipped to disperse unarmed mobs, not to fight am army. Regarding…

Possibly; it could have been a type of feint/maskirovka or simply an attempt to scare the Zelenski administration into an early agreement. Either way, it was never enough forces to actual subdue a city the size of Kiev. But it certainly distracted a lot of Ukrainian forces away from the main front.

I sure hope that it stops at Donbass (and that this nightmare ends asap). But if western weapons keep pouring into Ukraine (which were never going to be enough to defeat the Russian military), then Russia might think that it needs to take the entire country to put an end to the hostilities (hope not).

Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by reducesuffering »

dirtyid wrote: post #111
rnk wrote: post #96

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That's not true from my perspective as an American. China didn't historically make the same kind of continuing and increasing bellicose actions and claims as they do today. They have grown slowly over time, perhaps as China's military power has increased. Yes 50 years ago there was attacks, but China seems to be more threatened by the emergence of true democracy in Taiwan, and the development of later generations in…

That's certainly a very American perspective. Ongoing PRC claims has been consistent since they were inherited from ROC days. They even fought war in SCS with NVietnam when their military was poverty tier. The reality is PRC rise in region has been EXTREMELY peaceful relative to level military expansion which itself is modest relative to GDP. All while settling 12/14 again, ROC inherited land border disputes with mor…

SCS shitshow is almost 100% on China (sea based) expansionism. One look at their egregious “nine dash line” tells you what you need to know. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-dash_line

Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by dirtyid »

reducesuffering wrote: post #132
dirtyid wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's certainly a very American perspective. Ongoing PRC claims has been consistent since they were inherited from ROC days. They even fought war in SCS with NVietnam when their military was poverty tier. The reality is PRC rise in region has been EXTREMELY peaceful relative to level military expansion which itself is modest relative to GDP. All while settling 12/14 again, ROC inherited land border disputes with mor…

SCS shitshow is almost 100% on China (sea based) expansionism. One look at their egregious “nine dash line” tells you what you need to know. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-dash_line

Except it tells nothing. Nine dash predates UNCLOS that does not determine sovereignty, and the PCA "rule-based" ad-hoc kangaroo court decision is not recognized by UN, nevermind PRC is not bound by optional UNCLOS arbituational clause, hence PRC has full right to defend her claims. Which again is inherited from ROC and made when other claimaints were decolonialising and not completely sovereign to begin with. It's like big bro inherited dad's house with huge yard from small bro, then later kids of neighbours born after both bros decides chunk of yard should be there's because they made an arbituatry HOA that determined so. Bros laugh.

Meaning it's almost 0% on PRC expansionism. PRC cannot expand what they gained formally when UN recognition switched from ROC to PRC. They made no new claims in SCS. And in fact PRC reduced to 9dash from ROCs 11dash means Chinese sea claims shrunk under PRC. Big bro gave their neighbour a few feet of yard when they had good relations from being same book club (PRC to NVietnam). Just like 11/12 land border settlements where PRC ceded more land. By every objective metric China lost more territory under CCP dispute settlement. The opposite of expanisionism, and basically magnanimous by historic standards, huge country like PRC ceding so much territory to neighbours, voluntarily is proposterous. So much so that it's borderline treasonous, average Chinese would riot if they found out during negotiations, luckily this was pre internet.

In terms of land reclaimation and militarization, PRC was 5th out of 6 parties to conduct operations on their SCS features. They're just vastly better at it due to infra prowess and sheer PRC scale / resources. Only faultless actor in region is Brunai. And in terms of egregiousness, Vietnam is almost as bad, while claiming substantially more contested features. That's what I know.

Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by CogitoCogito »

powerapple wrote: post #129
CogitoCogito wrote: post #106

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> They don't want to fight a war if they don't have to. China doesn't have to fight. They could just accept that the ROC/Taiwan is an independent country (which of course it is whether China accepts it or not). China has no obligation to start a war of conquest.

it would be true if countries are really "independent". What China sees is the first island chain made by the US. China sees "China Containment".

Once again, China doesn’t have to fight.

Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by trasz »

cpursley wrote: post #122
Rapzid wrote: post #120

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There was a UN resolution a while back condemning the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Did 141 countries vote in favor of it with just 35 abstaining?

Sum up those opposing and abstaining countries population sizes. Some very important countries with large and growing economies and populations are neutral.

They are neutral, but that doesn't mean they are on Russia's side. See China, for example - of course they can't officially join American sanctions, but Huawei is closing down its Russian stores anyway.

Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by trasz »

cpursley wrote: post #124
mensetmanusman wrote: post #116

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Under deploy your army, spread them too thin and attack at all fronts, send generals to die at the front line, retreat and focus everything on taking over a pile of rubble. It is hilarious, if only it wasn’t so sad.

Russia has incompaciated the second largest military (a true near-peer) in just a handful of months. Like it or not, their tactics have worked. Read up on military feints and Maskarovka, nobody is better than this than the Russians: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_deception

Russia has incapacitated the second largest military indeed: their own. Trying to invade a country which a couple of years ago didn't have any real army to speak of, and failing terribly. They lost Kyiv, they lost Kharkiv, hopefully after Russian economy crashes they will also loose their territorial integrity.

Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by cpursley »

trasz wrote: post #135
cpursley wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sum up those opposing and abstaining countries population sizes. Some very important countries with large and growing economies and populations are neutral.

They are neutral, but that doesn't mean they are on Russia's side. See China, for example - of course they can't officially join American sanctions, but Huawei is closing down its Russian stores anyway.

Follow the money (who's buying Russian commodities?).

Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by trasz »

cpursley wrote: post #123
inglor_cz wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Russia has employed maybe 20% of their military personnel" That is a shallow measure. Most modern armies have "tooth to tail" [0] ratio less than 1:5. Combat-ready units constitute a minority of the entire military personnel everywhere, and Russia has deployed most of those in Ukraine. It cannot afford to deploy all of them, as it has long borders and shores that need patrolling. Russia no doubt has a huge cache of…

Can you provide any evidence that they actually went after Kharkiv in earnest other than blowing up some military targets? They'll probably eventually take that city as it is historically and majority Russian. As for the (retrofitted) T-62s, those are mostly given to the Donboss militias and a perfect tank to use in the already conquered rear. They are still armor and they still function. US also runs some old gear i…

Russia's advanced new stuff is mostly vaporware. Like the Armata tank, which was accepted into service a couple of years ago, but can't be manufactured. Or MiG-35, which isn't particularly modern, but can't be manufactured either.

Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by FooBarWidget »

CogitoCogito wrote: post #134
powerapple wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it would be true if countries are really "independent". What China sees is the first island chain made by the US. China sees "China Containment".

Once again, China doesn’t have to fight.

And the US doesn't have to isolate China or send warships to the SCS. The US didn't have to give Tsingdao to the Japanese, which directly triggered protests that led to the birth of the CPC. The KMT didn't have to be so corrupt that the majority population sided with CPC which led to KMT fleeing to Taiwan.

And yet, those ships have sailed. We aren't in this mess just because China is supposedly a bad guy, there are real relevant historical reasons why things are the way they are, and they can't be swept under a rug.

Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by baybal2 »

cpursley wrote: post #131
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But have you considered the Russian war technique of Maskirovka and military feints? From what information I was able to absorb about the start of the campaign, I think that Putin indeed was planning to take Kiev and Kharkiv in less than a week, and then suppress the riots there using riot police - as evidenced by him bringing in riot police troops equipped to disperse unarmed mobs, not to fight am army. Regarding…

Possibly; it could have been a type of feint/maskirovka or simply an attempt to scare the Zelenski administration into an early agreement. Either way, it was never enough forces to actual subdue a city the size of Kiev. But it certainly distracted a lot of Ukrainian forces away from the main front. I sure hope that it stops at Donbass (and that this nightmare ends asap). But if western weapons keep pouring into Ukrai…

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