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Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by alxlaz »

civilized wrote: post #14
Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #7

“Sunsetting” an open source project seems… unfitting? Hand it off to the community, look for new maintainers, donate it to the Apache Retirement Home for Veteran Projects, sure. But saying that you’ve decided to “sunset” or “archive” it, telling users to plan for their migration, seems counter to the notion that open source software forms part of a commons - something that Github, of all companies, should understand.

GitHub is owned by Microsoft, the company that invented "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish". We should be counting down the days till they sunset VS Code to focus on VS Code "Pro".

VS Code "Pro" is very 1998.

My money is on VS Code 365.

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by derefr »

wly_cdgr wrote: post #73

Atom has been dead for years, this is just the state funeral. The situation now is: * Sublime for the Williamsburg corpo-hipsters * emacs and vim for the wizards and furries * VSCode for all the normies who just want to get on with doing their job and don't feel a need to express their identity or politics through choice of editor * WebStorm for the chads with the monster rigs to run it

Isn’t Sublime also for people whose haven’t bought a new computer in 10 years and so can’t run VSCode? That’s why I started using it, at least. (Now it’s just inertia.)

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by luoc »

wly_cdgr wrote: post #73

Atom has been dead for years, this is just the state funeral. The situation now is: * Sublime for the Williamsburg corpo-hipsters * emacs and vim for the wizards and furries * VSCode for all the normies who just want to get on with doing their job and don't feel a need to express their identity or politics through choice of editor * WebStorm for the chads with the monster rigs to run it

Only the lack of slurs reminded me I'm not browsing /g/ in the moment

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by avrionov »

keewee7 wrote: post #79

Really begs the question what Visual Studio Code did right and what Atom did wrong.

The first thing which Visual Studio Code did right was the better performance. The initial reaction to Atom was that it was very promising, but very slow.

The second big innovation was the language server protocol.This allowed any language to be supported by VS Code.

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by vorpalhex »

wly_cdgr wrote: post #73

Atom has been dead for years, this is just the state funeral. The situation now is: * Sublime for the Williamsburg corpo-hipsters * emacs and vim for the wizards and furries * VSCode for all the normies who just want to get on with doing their job and don't feel a need to express their identity or politics through choice of editor * WebStorm for the chads with the monster rigs to run it

I went back to try Sublime lately and.. it's lost a lot of the minimalism that attracted me to it initially. That was the same reason why I loved Atom during it's golden years before it got too slow.

Right now I am using a very stripped down VSCode, which is.. fine. It works. I don't love it but it gets the job done usually.

Any other good editors on the minimal side? I need a bit more than vim/emacs, but I don't want or care for autocompletion or anything that alters what I have written. I don't need vcs support. I don't need a built in terminal. Just a good, simple and fast code editing experience with modern ergonomics and syntax highlighting that works across every language.

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by indymike »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #100
joshstrange wrote: post #56

I know a lot of people love vscode but are there any people who have tried something like IDEA/WebStorm/PHPStorm/etc that then went back to vscode? I had to help a developer setup deploys to a dev server from vscode the other day and I wanted to pull my hair out. I'll admit it's at least in part due to not using vscode myself but I was a heavy Sublime Text user which is very similar to vscode when it comes to how you…

> I know a lot of people love vscode but are there any people who have tried something like IDEA/WebStorm/PHPStorm/etc that then went back to vscode? Everyone who uses VSCode has surely used an IDE before. It just turns out they aren’t better in every way, and possibly not in the ways that matter. VSCode plug-ins just have more eyeballs and work done on them for various ecosystems, for example. Especially for less co…

> Everyone who uses VSCode has surely used an IDE before. It just turns out they aren’t better in every way, and possibly not in the ways that matter.

Almost every junior I hire has only used Atom, Sublime or VS Code, especially JavaScript developers.

>VSCode plug-ins just have more eyeballs and work done on them for various ecosystems, for example. Especially for less common languages and features.

The reason to switch to an IDE from something more flexible like VSCode or Emacs is the amount of time spent keeping the editor working.

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by [deleted] »

Atreiden wrote: post #38

Called this ~4 years ago when they were acquired by M$. But it's still really sad to see. I use it because it was trivial to CSS style it to match my Desktop. It's comfortable to me in a way that other editors thus far have not been. Are there other editors with this level of customizability? I know VSCode and Sublime support theming but from what I can tell it involves installing pre-packaged themes.

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Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by oblio »

skohan wrote: post #118
wly_cdgr wrote: post #73

Atom has been dead for years, this is just the state funeral. The situation now is: * Sublime for the Williamsburg corpo-hipsters * emacs and vim for the wizards and furries * VSCode for all the normies who just want to get on with doing their job and don't feel a need to express their identity or politics through choice of editor * WebStorm for the chads with the monster rigs to run it

So MS owns the default place where code is hosted, and the default tool people use to edit code. Neat.

It's kind of bad, but they're probably the least bad behemoth owner.

Apple would try to switch everything towards their walked garden, no questions asked. Google would shut stuff down every two years. Oracle... I'm not even going to bother.

Amazon and Facebook could be interesting. Facebook is a bit shady, see the Oculus Facebook account debacle, but they're decent as stewards of dev tools. Amazon is also quite reliable for dev tools.

Would anyone really big be a better steward? Did I miss someone?

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by joshstrange »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #100
joshstrange wrote: post #56

I know a lot of people love vscode but are there any people who have tried something like IDEA/WebStorm/PHPStorm/etc that then went back to vscode? I had to help a developer setup deploys to a dev server from vscode the other day and I wanted to pull my hair out. I'll admit it's at least in part due to not using vscode myself but I was a heavy Sublime Text user which is very similar to vscode when it comes to how you…

> I know a lot of people love vscode but are there any people who have tried something like IDEA/WebStorm/PHPStorm/etc that then went back to vscode? Everyone who uses VSCode has surely used an IDE before. It just turns out they aren’t better in every way, and possibly not in the ways that matter. VSCode plug-ins just have more eyeballs and work done on them for various ecosystems, for example. Especially for less co…

> Everyone who uses VSCode has surely used an IDE before.

I would expect the opposite to be true. I could be wrong but it seems like the free editor that's mentioned in lots of tutorials would be the one newer developers gravitate to over a paid tool like IDEA.

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