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We're moving to a four-day work week at Beacon

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Re: We're moving to a four-day work week at Beacon

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Post by howmayiannoyyou »

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #20

Quick refresher on productivity in economic terms: decreasing inputs = decreasing outputs UNLESS tech or technique improves. During supply and/or debt driven inflationary periods (eg. now), increased productivity = increased supply and/or decreased debt. What do these maxims of economics mean for a 4 day work week? At Beacon, nothing*. But implement this at Tyson Foods, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Waste Management, the…

Haters: you're missing my point, which is (a) this applies to some industries, not all; and (b) this applies to supply-driven inflationary periods and/or periods of excessive aggregate debt (public, commercial and personal). As someone who remembers 1979/80 talking to a bunch of people who may not have been born then --- we're in for a shit storm that only productivity & hard work will fix... unless USGOV finds more way to kick the can down the road.

Re: We're moving to a four-day work week at Beacon

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Post by paulcole »

jacquesm wrote: post #82
paulcole wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And people that work 40 hours should get more than those that work 32 hours. Someone who’s 25% less efficient at their job should get paid the same as someone else who’s more efficient?

It's up to the employer to decide for how long they contract someone, whether they are more or less efficient is something that is their problem, not the employees' problem, they are reserved for more time so they should get paid more. Lots of jobs are paid by the hour, and that is the sort of job that I believe we were discussing. The variables then are: your hourly rate, how many hours you are contracted for. I've…

I’m dense, so I’m not following this at all. Let’s say there are 2 people at a company doing similar jobs.

Person A gets their work done in 40 hours a week.

Person B gets the equivalent of Person A’s work done (plus a little extra) in 32 hours a week.

Do you think that Person A should earn more money?

Re: We're moving to a four-day work week at Beacon

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

apexalpha wrote: post #123
belter wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Which country and city governments have a four-day work week?": https://buildremote.co/four-day-week/4-day-work-week-countri... I am surprised the lack of mention of Denmark, Sweden or the Netherlands. Most business persons I contact, normally only work 4 days a week.

In the Netherlands you're legally allowed to work parttime for the same hourly pay. This has resulted in a lot of people working 32 hours (or less). This, however, is not the same as an entire company working 4 day weeks.

I understood that the UK trial is without paycut. So full pay for 32 hours assuming hourly workers.

Whereas in the Netherlands, Switzerland, Scandinavian countries, etc. they typically accept 32 or 24 hours but with a proportional pay cut.

Re: We're moving to a four-day work week at Beacon

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Post by ironlake »

encrux wrote: post #9
pattle wrote: post #3

Four day work weeks sound good but since being remote from 2019 I could never go back to working in an office. Seems like a case of one step forward, two steps back

I was very pro home-office (and even Anti-Office) before and during the pandemic. Now that restrictions are more or less gone, I'm glad to be working in the office again. Being in the office for the first time in my career showed me that there are definitely upsides, especially when you get along with your team really well. Though 100% mandatory office time is BS.

>Now that restrictions are more or less gone, I'm glad to be working in the office again.

In the US, COVID cases are five times higher than this time last year, and the CDC estimates that 1 in 5 will result in long COVID.

Re: We're moving to a four-day work week at Beacon

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Post by vaughan »

Is taking the Monday or Friday off better?

I’ve always found Monday is a slow day for me to reload everything back into my working memory and get back into flow.

I wonder if this is why Monday meetings are good. So that everyone can be reinvigorated for the week ahead.

Re: We're moving to a four-day work week at Beacon

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Post by aczerepinski »

My last job (America’s Test Kitchen in case they’re hiring) did/does 4.5 day work weeks. Friday afternoons off. Zero loss of productivity. For me it was a built in zero-guilt place to schedule my dentist appointments, rare in-person tasks at the bank, take cats to the vet, etc.

Of course, 4.0 days would be even better!

Re: We're moving to a four-day work week at Beacon

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Post by matsemann »

yrgulation wrote: post #74
eertami wrote: post #49

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I've never understood this. If you work from home you can also just... go walking outside? In fact you could even go walking for longer, since nobody is checking for your presence and you haven't wasted time commuting. I'd rather walk to the lake and go for a swim during the afternoon, than walk to a train to walk to an office.

My personal observation is that most pro office folks are seeking to substitute gaps in their personal lives with onsite work. A drain on their coworkers to be frank. Lack of friends, proper housing, lack of exercise you name it. A tiring hindrance on those whom understand that most of these issues are caused by being farmed in offices 8 hours a day and clustered in crowded, poorly planned cities. Of course there are…

Wow, what an uncharitable view you have on people with a different opinion than your own. Quite stunning, actually.

Re: We're moving to a four-day work week at Beacon

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Post by TrackerFF »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #7

Lol, what a scam, 4 day work week but you have to be in the office. I live close to Shoreditch but preparation time and travel both ways is easily 2 hours a day (for some of my colleagues that would be 3+ hours a day). If you went from working from home 100% 5 days a week to working from the office 100% 4 days a week results in the exact same amount of time, except you remove all the monetary savings from working fro…

My "commute" is 5 mins each way. Would love to try out a 4-day week.

Re: We're moving to a four-day work week at Beacon

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Post by [deleted] »

spaetzleesser wrote: post #112
prometheus76 wrote: post #92

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It was the fatal shift from "personnel" to "human resources".

At my company they aren't hiring "people" anymore but "resources". Even when looking for somebody internally to help out with a project, managers try to "find a resource", not "finding somebody".

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Re: We're moving to a four-day work week at Beacon

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Post by isodev »

belter wrote: post #75
simonswords82 wrote: post #33

This is part of a wider scheme in the UK whereby 60 firms and 3000 employees are piloting 4 day weeks. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/apr/04/thousands-o... From the article: Employees from a wide range of businesses and charities are expected to take part in the scheme, which will run initially from June to December, including the Royal Society of Biology, the London-based brewing company Pressure Drop, a…

"Which country and city governments have a four-day work week?": https://buildremote.co/four-day-week/4-day-work-week-countri... I am surprised the lack of mention of Denmark, Sweden or the Netherlands. Most business persons I contact, normally only work 4 days a week.

Belgium is missing as well, by law you are allowed to choose a 4d work-week and many, many people do it, including myself :-).
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