It's a great search engine. I've enjoyed the experience, so have paid for premium.
Ignore the cynics, guys, see if you can make it work!
Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta
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#132Does the Orion browser use the same hardening as Safari (e.g. sandboxing)?
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#133I think I am going to at least check the free tier anyways, but to manage my expectations, does anyone have experience from non-us-centric non englis h searches, are they also good?
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#134I have no reasons to doubt privacy statements but it rubs me the wrong way that I'm identifying myself by name to use search engine that's supposed not to track me. The requirement for an account also makes ad-hoc searching on whatever device/browser/profile tricky. > You should pay for your search engine to ensure that the incentives of the information provider are aligned with what’s best for you, not what’s best f…
This. For me, it feels wrong entering my name and credit card details to be able to have a more private search experience. Especially since alternatives like SearX or You.com are at least as good as Kagi and don't have such requirements.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
We plan to do exactly that. Our constraint is not the lack of vision but the lack of resources. Opening widgets API to users would be a great thing to scale this effort (provided there are enough users to build them).
My only question — do you censor based on politics or political correctness?
As per their FAQ, they don't seem to.
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#136Been using Kagi for a few months now and, unlike when I used DDG, it's rare that I feel the need to fall back to Google. I guess now is where we see if Kagi's model can actually work. Will people pay money for a search engine when all other major players in the space don't transact with users in cash? I definitely hope for their success!
> unlike when I used DDG, it's rare that I feel the need to fall back to Google.
Same here. I have now been using Kagi for about 6 weeks. While using DDG for many years (at least 9, probably over 10) I built up an automatic response: When the results aren't what I want and it doesn't seem to be a problem with my query, I add !g and expect better results on the other side. A week or two ago, while doing exactly that, I realized that my expectation for better results has disappeared. I'm now slowly learning not to do it at all.
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
My experience matches yours. When I was using DDG, it was mostly sufficient. I'd fall back on Google a few times a month. I haven't yet done that with Kagi. I just entered my CC details into Kagi (using Orion, natch). I hope more people follow suit. I really want this model to succeed.
Kagi's quite good for general purpose searches, but there's a number of specific queries where it falls down: timezones ("9AM SF in Tokyo") and currency conversions ("100000 JPY in USD") are two big ones for me. It would be great if Kagi could open source the engine that powers these queries, so people could contribute their own features.
Or offer a simple way to farm queries like this out to google (until a native solution is available).
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
I do not understand why anyone who only does 2-3 searches a day would pay 10$ a month for a search engine though?
I do not understand how people get through their day without doing at least 2-3 searches an hour. If you're online, working or pretending to work, consuming all that "internetz info", how can you do that without also bombarding Google with Q's about translations between languages, conversion between metric/imperial, basic fact-checking, wikipedia-ing, looking up definitions of words, and such? Even while listening to…
I'm in the same boat and will pay for Kagi, though I have a different interaction with a search engine and thought you might like the counterpoint. Notably, I don't use Google for most of what you described:
Translation: I use DeepL instead (google is doing poorly on Asian languages)
Conversion: not having much need for imperial but I use this for all unit conversion (though usually directly in my terminal): https://insect.sh/
Wikipedia: if I type Wikipedia+something my browser automatically use the wiki engine (chrome can do that too)
Word definition: on OSX I long press on the trackpad and the definition pops up (across languages, translation too for single words)
Lyrics: Spotify show them now! (admittedly that's a recent feature)
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#139I was texting a developer friend just a few days ago about the idea of boosting specific sites in search results, so yay!
Basically, if wikipedia has an article that is even remotely related to what I queried, I want that link at (or very near) the top.
Unfortunately my first test didn't work: I pinned wikipedia (the most prominent option) and searched "spline socket" -- no wikipedia link at all. "wikipedia spline socket" on google gives:
* Spline - Wikipedia * Spline (mechanical) - Wikipedia * List of screw drives - Wikipedia * Socket wrench - Wikipedia -- this is the one with the info I was looking for.
That said, this is super promising. But apparently even at $10/month they'd be losing money on me, significantly. I average 20-30 searches per day on my laptop alone. I shudder to think what my phone usage is.
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#140Awesome, I've been using kagi for a couple months now, and it's been awesome! I love thee ability to open internet archive quickly or bump the ranking of certain sites. I am still a little confused about the pricing situation though. As I understand you guys plan to offer "free with limited usage" and a paid 10$/month unlimited use plan. But I can't seem to find any information on what the "limits" are? I do not have…
Yea. This is why we made our private search completely open on you.com and track absolutely nothing in that mode, not even bugs/warnings/etc.
Are the search results outsourced?