Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

Post by encoderer » Fri, May 27, 2022, 7:57 PM UTC

twblalock wrote: post #47

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I have taken both jnj and Moderna. But I have to admit that the grandparent has a point. It feels it’s almost heretical to say, but the vaccines were terribly over-sold. In the beginning they were sold as traditional vaccines - prevention against infection not just serious disease. But very soon we saw “breakthrough infections” (not even written about anymore as they are so common) and the goal posts started being mo…

> Public health establishment deserves a D- for their handling of the pandemic starting basically on day 1. D- for clear communication and providing leadership to the public? Definitely! D- for the vaccines though? Definitely not! The vaccines have dramatically reduced the death rate from the disease. The disease mutated to bypass the vaccine -- yet the vaccine still provides a lot of protection despite that. What mo…

Post by mrtesthah » Fri, May 27, 2022, 8:35 PM UTC

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Then you can look at the excess deaths statistics from the time the pandemic started, but before vaccines became available. It paints a similar picture. A lot more people "than usual" dying in 2020 (before vaccines in US).

And that could have nothing to do at all with the more deadly alpha and delta strains that are now extinct?

Post by croes » Fri, May 27, 2022, 8:41 PM UTC

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The same some people claimed for sportmen especially footballers but the statistics of e.g. FIFA showed the opposite. People only pay more attention to.

Without drawing any conclusions... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballer... There were a lot more sudden deaths in football in 2021 than in any other year. Could be: 1. Increased sudden heart failure due to Covid 2. Increased sudden heart failure due to vaccines 3. No increase in sudden heart failure, but in 2021 we observed and catalogued cases more meticulously than ever 4. Something else, un…

Post by [deleted] » Fri, May 27, 2022, 8:56 PM UTC

croes wrote: post #135

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Without drawing any conclusions... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballer... There were a lot more sudden deaths in football in 2021 than in any other year. Could be: 1. Increased sudden heart failure due to Covid 2. Increased sudden heart failure due to vaccines 3. No increase in sudden heart failure, but in 2021 we observed and catalogued cases more meticulously than ever 4. Something else, un…

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-sport-... https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-sport/... https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-fifa/f... And between 2014-2018 617 footballers died according to FIFA SDR, that's 123 per year. The Wikipedia list is pretty short for that years, because nobody cared to enter them on Wikipedia.

Post by croes » Fri, May 27, 2022, 8:59 PM UTC

Lionga wrote: post #96

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> There were a lot more sudden deaths in football in 2021 than in any other year. That's a claim not supported by your link. Recency bias (and perhaps a greater media and Wiki-editing focus following a player suffering non-fatal cardiac arrest on the pitch in the World Cup) means there are more listed names in 2021. But the article also points out that FIFA investigated 617 deaths over a previous 5 year period, which…

He gave exactly that as an option: "3. No increase in sudden heart failure, but in 2021 we observed and catalogued cases more meticulously than ever" but I am not sure anymore who is more stupid the anti vaxxer or the vaxx worshipper who will down vote and be against anything that could hint at the vaccines not being perfect.