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Top stablecoins shed $7B in May as traders redeem tokens en masse

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The moment I learned that people want to buy crypto as a means to get rich in (evil ;)) fiat money, I knew I had a ponzi scheme in front of me. The interesting idea behind crypto once was to have a totally different system. Yet in reality, with greedy apes on a spacerock, it was an unreachable Utopia

> The interesting idea behind crypto once was to have a totally different system. the problem with this idea is that this idea of a "different" system is just merely going to evolve back into what we have today. The fundamental needs of a financial system doesn't change much, and what we have today is fit for purpose (mostly - there's efficiency to be had and red tape to cut).

> there's efficiency to be had and red tape to cut

Depends. In the USA, yes, your banking system is utterly shite, despite the supposedly numerous volume of different banks who are supposedly able to innovate and compete.

But.

that red tape is there to prevent a bank from collapsing. Its been imposed as a reaction to numerous financial crises.

There loads of rules that govern how much money a bank can loan, and how much they have to have on hand and in what classes they need to store deposits in.

A bank can be wildly profitable if it doesn't care too much who it lends to. Riskier debts yield much greater interest. The problem is, as soon as confidence takes a knock, the entire bank collapses because the value they claim they have is not backed by any kind of liquid asset.

This is the same with crypto. A stable coin is wildly profitable when people are pouring cash into it. but all it takes is a small wobble, people rushing to convert the "coin" into another asset class, and the whole thing crashes. This might be because they really don't have enough reserves to cover the withdrawl, or it was fraud. They aren't regulated, so we'll probably not know.

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What are people holding all those stable coins for? In contrast to other crypto currencies, nobody is holding it for speculation. I doubt anybody expects stable coins to be a better store of "dollar value" than the dollar itself. Yet, someone holds those $150B worth of stable coins. Who and why?

It doesn't mean you are holding. If you want to transfer money using crypto (which is it's original purpose) and you don't want to be affected by crypto volatility, then stable coins are perfect.

Perfect for P2P on and off ramps too.

Also some countries such as Argentina have literally stolen the money of their citizens bank accounts in the past. So stable coins are more trustworthy than the banking system.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corral%C3%B3n

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So you have friends that you transfer crypto to if they need to purchase something at a shop and don’t have the funds? God that whole process sounds painful. In the Uk we would just transfer the money across with a bank transfer as all banks support instant transfers which have no fees (including between banks).

not everybody lives in the UK. the point is not to be a system that beats a single service for sending GBP from A to B in the UK. the point is a system that has a variety of uses and applications accessible by anybody, regardless of which country the user resides in. even in countries with good banking like UK, many e-commerce companies will still choose Stripe VISA and PayPal to reach customers outside the UK and in…

This doesn’t explain why paying with Crypto is better though in this use case.

The UK example just shows that a decentralised blockchain approach isn’t required to meet the use case you are describing - in fact it’s worse for the described use case in almost every metric.

Having a different, worse alternative isn’t exactly something to shout about.

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The big question with Tether has been, if they are holding commercial paper, whose commercial paper? Traders who deal in commercial paper of real companies that do real stuff don't see Tether present in that market. The dollar amounts are too big to hide. The suspicion is that their "commercial paper" is high-interest loans to other cryptocurrency companies. With the whole crypto sector in decline, those loans are at…

> Why would anyone buy Tether at this point? There's zero upside potential, after all.

Tether, and "stablecoins" in general are known as the casino chips of Crypto. A way to exchange more volatile crypto for what is supposed to be essentially dollars without creating a taxable event. Assuming crypto is still something people want to trade, that's still a valuable service. Tether isn't supposed to be an investment. It's a money laundering scheme to facilitate the other investments outside of the taxable economy and outside of KYC regulation. Seen from that vantage point, staking pools and "potential upside" is actually not desirable.

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#135
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is until you're on a list, for whatever reason. When states and countries can just block your access to your bank accounts, because you're on the other side of interests, it gets...Interesting With a decentralised approach, such actions would've needed to be implemented in the real world, not merely by the flick of a virtual lever.

We need the lists for drug dealers and oligarchs. There are lists for a reason.

There are also political dissidents in there. See Canada.

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> no issues with tax&bank issues Sure about that bit? This may be the perception – that holding your assets in 'the crypto system' avoids tax issues – but the taxman will disagree. Swapping $BTC for $USDC or whatever your tether of choice is is a 'taxable event'. You've sold one security in exchange for another. It doesn't matter that they're both crypto. Now, it might be harder for the taxman to detect this event, w…

Sorry all, should have been specific: Australia. https://www.ato.gov.au/General/Other-languages/In-detail/Inf... But be careful! Actually read what your local tax office puts out. Assume nothing: it can be very easy to get yourself in to trouble. For example: - You buy BTC @ $1 - You exchange BTC @ $11 for $RANDOM - You just made $10 :-) and you owe the taxman ~$3 (if you're in Australia) - $RANDOM falls to ~$0 - So…

You can deduct capital loss from capital gain, unless it occurs in the next financial year then you get to carry it forward indefinitely.

Re: Top stablecoins shed $7B in May as traders redeem tokens en masse

#137
post #11

What are people holding all those stable coins for? In contrast to other crypto currencies, nobody is holding it for speculation. I doubt anybody expects stable coins to be a better store of "dollar value" than the dollar itself. Yet, someone holds those $150B worth of stable coins. Who and why?

Because they provide nice yield. I can stake USDT on most exchanges and get 5-7% APY. I doubt those yields will hold for much longer though.

Which exchange pays you those 5-7% and why do they do that?

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post #11

What are people holding all those stable coins for? In contrast to other crypto currencies, nobody is holding it for speculation. I doubt anybody expects stable coins to be a better store of "dollar value" than the dollar itself. Yet, someone holds those $150B worth of stable coins. Who and why?

Its a much nicer experience for moving around large sums of money. I have heard of a fair few people who use it primarily for funding angellist investments since its more hassle free than a wire.

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#139
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many wires will be multi days long, encumbered by weekends, holidays, business hours, international checks, and occasional bounces (ask any company their experience with wires for international contractors). Zelle is between US banks only. some people live outside of the US, surprisingly.

The EU has now mandated fast transfers between banks in the EU. So, for EU (23 countries) it's not a problem either. Sending money between banks is both a technical and a regulatory issue (and crypto is discovering why regulations exist at great cost to crypto users). However, "instant money transfer between banks" is not an unsolved issue.

large (> 10K) bank and wire transfers within UK and EU are still in the order of days, not seconds. the last large bank transfer I did took 5 days without any way for me to track this transfer. the same amount I was able to transfer within crypto networks in 30 seconds and the transaction progress and it’s validation status was visible for the entire duration.

the EU and UK banking system is far better than the US but still it is not a global payment processor network and API, hence why the web even in EU and UK relies on Stripe, visa, Apple Pay and PayPal and their corporate and centralized infrastructures. building an alternative infra that is not based on a single corporate entity is net positive for the world long term

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#140
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The big question with Tether has been, if they are holding commercial paper, whose commercial paper? Traders who deal in commercial paper of real companies that do real stuff don't see Tether present in that market. The dollar amounts are too big to hide. The suspicion is that their "commercial paper" is high-interest loans to other cryptocurrency companies. With the whole crypto sector in decline, those loans are at…

> Why would anyone buy Tether at this point? There's zero upside potential, after all. Tether, and "stablecoins" in general are known as the casino chips of Crypto. A way to exchange more volatile crypto for what is supposed to be essentially dollars without creating a taxable event. Assuming crypto is still something people want to trade, that's still a valuable service. Tether isn't supposed to be an investment. It…

Technically, isn’t selling one asset and buying another precisely the definition of a taxable event?

I don’t see how tether helps you avoid taxes unless you’re going to lie about your transactions and hope nobody notices.

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