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Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by suprjami » Sat, May 21, 2022, 1:02 AM UTC

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #116

throwaway888abc wrote: post #39

Not sure if parody But whoa! trackpoint Here is the hires from landing page https://media.graphassets.com/resize=width:3300,height:2805,... Edit: Legit, © Copyright 2022 HP Development Company, L.P.

The keyboard is missing an Insert key. But they're advertising an "FHD" screen as though that's a selling feature? That's only 1920x1080 - my Sony Vaio Z laptop from 2010 has the same resolution. People doing any kind of user-facing frontend dev-work pretty-much need a screen capable of 2x/200%/192dpi (i.e. 4K) at least. ...that's a deal-killer for me, as is the lack of a true middle-button on the touchpad. I'll be s…

Insert is on F10. Maybe the Function keys are hidden behind Fn, pretty common on laptops and compact discrete keyboards these days.

Keep in mind your X1 was at least twice the price of this thing (honestly I feel they are overpriced, Asus do literally the same thing for $1k less)

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by MBCook » Sat, May 21, 2022, 1:03 AM UTC

emmelaich wrote: post #61

yakkityyak wrote: post #9

To be brutally honest, this looks like a very lame laptop.

For $1000 it looks ok to me!

For the most part I agree. It seems to be quite nice, assuming the screen is decent (my older HP that my work gave me gas a terrible screen).

Having 16 GB and 1 TB SSD for about $1000 is pretty good.

I’m not a fan of the arrow keys, Apple made that same mistake.

Given the other specs I’m sure this isn’t possible without raising the price, but I just can’t believe people are still buying brand new laptops in 2022 that have 1080p screens. I mean if it’s a $400 budget model ok I guess.

I suppose I’m more surprised people find that acceptable than that vendors sell it. Do people not know something much better is available?

Ignoring those two complaints/preferences this seems like a pretty decent PC laptop.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by czx4f4bd » Sat, May 21, 2022, 1:04 AM UTC

gameswithgo wrote: post #90

tristor wrote: post #29

I want to like this, but I feel like 32GB of RAM is minimum if I were buying a new laptop. I’ve been heavily eyeing the Framework but I’d prefer AMD. This had AMD but is limited to 16GB of RAM… lots of unnecessary tradeoffs being made here.

What workload do you do that 16GB isn't enough? Compiling large database backed .NET projects and Rust projects and AAA gaming all fit fine in 16GB

I'm using 18GB on Pop_OS right now and often use more. The main contributors are browser tabs and VS Code. If I closed out the projects I'm not actively working on right now and hunted down anything hogging RAM, I could get back under 16GB, but the nice thing about having 32GB is I almost never have to do that.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by yumraj » Sat, May 21, 2022, 1:13 AM UTC

7speter wrote: post #120

jackpot51 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is upgradeable to 64GB.

Am i wrong to think that for 1000 dollars this laptop should come with 32gb of ram? Though its great that one can upgrade the memory.

To put things into perspective, Apple charges $400 to upgrade from $16GB to $32GB.

So I’ll say that expecting 32GB RAM in a $1K laptop is a little too unrealistic.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by cosmiccatnap » Sat, May 21, 2022, 1:13 AM UTC

I am not a fan of HP, their quality control is horrible but it's a good sign that companies are moving in the right direction on Linux. It goes to show that they realize the market for it is there and that, for all my misgivings about the company, is a good thing for them and for us. I genuinely hope it's a great laptop and an exception to the rule.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by kevin_thibedeau » Sat, May 21, 2022, 1:13 AM UTC

GekkePrutser wrote: post #97

tedunangst wrote: post #37

What is with those arrow keys? Who wants double wide half height up and down keys? 2 x 0.5 does not equal one full sized key. Am I really to believe that relabeling the win key to super is some sort of engineering feat?

True, those double width keys will really screw with your muscle memory even more than the regular half-height ones, especially when you're frequently switching to an external keyboard.

They even have enough room for a normal inverted-T if they would just stop copying Apple and make the right shift key narrower. That would also open up a gap between the left arrow and Ctrl for easier blind navigation. This is too much superfluous style with gimped functionality.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by cdiddy2 » Sat, May 21, 2022, 1:13 AM UTC

rendaw wrote: post #130

7speter wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am i wrong to think that for 1000 dollars this laptop should come with 32gb of ram? Though its great that one can upgrade the memory.

What does "Linux laptop" mean? Are you basically paying $1000 for high quality drivers for all of the computer components? More importantly, if companies keep on releasing Linux laptops and only laptops we may really never see the Year of the Linux desktop :(

Well linux on desktop mostly just works. Linux on laptops has been a headache for a while with awful battery life, trackpad issues, wifi issues and things like that. So personally I don't feel the need for any dedicated linux desktop release compared to the laptop space where I appreciate more of a guarantee that the drivers actually work and I won't spend all my time messing with linux internals trying to get it to work.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by crossroadsguy » Sat, May 21, 2022, 1:13 AM UTC

jasoneckert wrote: post #44

I'm not going to critique this laptop as others have done here. Just over $1K for a laptop with an 8 core Ryzen, 16GB DDR4 and a 1TB SSD isn't outrageous. The main takeaways I get from this are that HP is now getting on the Linux developer bandwagon, and that they chose Pop!_OS as their distro due to the success and reputation of System76. And I think these are both good things, and a sign that we'll see more of the…

Looks like Apple really has the “charge outrageously and be hailed for it” license.

If HP also had that license - even a second or a third tier one - they’d have priced it $2989 and make everything not upgradable and announced “Pre-installed Linux for the first time ever in any…… HP laptop” and HN would be filled with comments like “I only have 3GB RAM in my HP laptop and it even lifts my pickup truck. Best ever $3K spent. You don’t need more RAM. If you need then you’re doing it wrong”.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by rxhernandez » Sat, May 21, 2022, 1:13 AM UTC

gameswithgo wrote: post #90

tristor wrote: post #29

I want to like this, but I feel like 32GB of RAM is minimum if I were buying a new laptop. I’ve been heavily eyeing the Framework but I’d prefer AMD. This had AMD but is limited to 16GB of RAM… lots of unnecessary tradeoffs being made here.

What workload do you do that 16GB isn't enough? Compiling large database backed .NET projects and Rust projects and AAA gaming all fit fine in 16GB

I regularly see my thinkpad exceed 20 GB with vscode, YouTube music, and docker hosting a frontend, backend, and simulated load.

I've been sitting at 27 GB for the past two days with PyCharm open as well.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by suprjami » Sat, May 21, 2022, 1:15 AM UTC

pzlarsson wrote: post #40

It has a trackpoint with 2 buttons which tells us they did not put any serious effort into this input device. Would you use a 2 button mouse without scroll-wheel or a touchpad without 2-fingers scrolling? I suspect this low effort goes for the whole product which is a budget laptop with marketing directed at decision makers instead of users.

Confusing comment. Did you miss the massive touchpad beneath the keyboard? Surely it has two-finger scrolling.

I would expect three-finger middle click emulation (which kinda sucks I agree).