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Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by manuelmoreale »

hrbf wrote: post #112
albatrosstrophy wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I host a hobby website and use WordPress for everything. Even as an entry level user, I agree the amount of plugins are ridiculous. But it's free and I only pay for hosting. Anyone knows what are the alternatives for someone like me?

Recently, I’ve come to appreciate Kirby ( https://getkirby.com/ ). It’s commercial but reasonably priced. Clean, powerful and relaxed with updates.

As someone with probably 30+ sites built with Kirby I’d agree that it’s better than WP in many ways but it’s very developers oriented and it’s not really a replacement for WP for the average user.

And when I say developers oriented I mean it in a good way.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by bobthepanda »

yen223 wrote: post #106
austinl wrote: post #53

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I was previously a PM at a company where I got to interview a lot of content creators on various platforms (YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, etc). Specifically creators with large enough followings where it was their sole source of income (typically $1K-$10K per month). I was initially shocked by how few of them had personal websites, but they're able to get by with the tools that the platform provides them. They didn't s…

I look at some of the channels I've subscribed to on YouTube - I have absolutely no idea if any of them have a personal website, since I have never had a reason to check. I don't think I'm alone in this regard.

Personal websites for Youtubers don't really make sense unless they have some kind of format that can't be handled via videos, playlists, or their descriptions.

The only ones I've seen for Youtubers are cooking channels, where the description format is very poor for recipes.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by DrSiemer »

aaaaaaaaata wrote: post #118
macintux wrote: post #105

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Speaking as an abstainer from all things Meta, that's depressing.

Burner?

They'll still want your phone number and carrying a second phone just for those moments is a bit of a hassle.

I'd be interested in a dual sim phone that had an instant "private mode" user account switch to the second sim. But even that would be a pita and it would severely limit the choice of hardware as well.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by Sirened »

andybak wrote: post #14
dvngnt_ wrote: post #11

linktree is a very lightweight alternative that i see a lot of people use

https://linktr.ee ? That seems an entirely different thing, unless there's something I'm missing.

tons of people use linktree on social media sites like Instagram or TikTok where linking to things is particularly hard (i.e. links are not clickable anywhere except the one link slot in your bio). Sites like linktree let people make a little landing page with links to all their other stuff, which is often enough for many people.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by stevenicr »

_fat_santa wrote: post #73
kappuchino wrote: post #8

Do you have the same impression: Each and every plugin/extension has a commercial pro version that keeps on nagging to buy its extended warrenty ... sorry, no, to subscribe to updates for just 29.99 each, right? So 29.99 for instagram connections, 39.99 for backups pro (i'm making names and prices up, but you know the drill.) and for just 20 dollars more a security/virus check for ... what?!?! are you f**king kidding…

It's not just the plugins, this culture seeps into just about every guide about Wordpress. Read any guide and it's almost never a person that is just offering helpful advice, it's almost always some SEO spam that leads you on only to hit you with "buy my services/plugins/etc to fix this problem". Last time I did any work around WP this drove me insane. I remember trying to setup backup or something else simple and I…

You are right about much of what is out there sadly.

I recently engaged in a spirited discussion about this issue ( https://wptavern.com/wordpress-product-launches-roundup-appe... )

And it was uncovered that not only are people who are in close to the main development focused on releasing premium paid upgrades that require yearly fees - I contend that they are also holding back what should be basic styling options from being available in core as well.

( https://wptavern.com/wordpress-product-launches-roundup-appe... )

I mean, just wow.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by Robotbeat »

pipeline_peak wrote: post #32
goldcd wrote: post #23

I think the "private website" space is shrinking - despite what adverts for Wix and Squarespace might infer. The consumer/blog space of geocities, tripod and the like went to social media. Then we went through a period of "businesses putting up 10 pages for a fixed price" through first of all "a local web guy" then by themselves using Wix/WP/SS etc. I've just had a bathroom fitted by a guy who functions purely on Ins…

I see saying, blogs have definitely been shrinking. The web is too large and complex to be discovered unless your service is within one of the 5 or so major social platforms. To own a domain is almost a status symbol, letting users know “we are an established entity”. It’s pretty revealing when a local bar cover band or a Chinese restaurant has its own website. It’s almost always decrepit in maintenance and low traff…

The fact that we’ve overcomplicated the skill set needed to maintain a “modern” website has helped contribute to this problem. A static website could be so bloody simple. Just save a bloody Word document to HTML with your pictures and menu and telephone number and open hours and links to maps and upload it to a folder. But… Even basic file handling skills are becoming uncommon.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by hrbf »

manuelmoreale wrote: post #131
hrbf wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recently, I’ve come to appreciate Kirby ( https://getkirby.com/ ). It’s commercial but reasonably priced. Clean, powerful and relaxed with updates.

As someone with probably 30+ sites built with Kirby I’d agree that it’s better than WP in many ways but it’s very developers oriented and it’s not really a replacement for WP for the average user. And when I say developers oriented I mean it in a good way.

Entirely agree with that assessment. All my clients love the Kirby backend and as a developer it’s a pleasure to work with the system.

Documentation for first-time users could be better though. The YAML page structure took some time to wrap my head around. Also, as it’s flat-file, backups are trivial – just copy the folder or commit everything to a VCS.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by radium3d »

The glitchy / beta (alpha?) level performance testing tools introduced by Google in the last two years have also been contributing to the lower scores and the constant changing of the scoring metrics has not helped developers such as myself get a strong hold on what Google wants. We are just now within the last 6 months really getting a strong foothold on things like CLS when using page builder plugins such as SiteOrigin Page Builder. They added a features in October last year that really knocks the CLS to zero and we've seen mobile scores way up in the 90-100 range now. WordPress can perform well with a well implemented caching system such as the one WPEngine setup on Google Cloud.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by esquire_900 »

jokabrink wrote: post #16

From the blog post: > If WordPress is shrinking, something else must be growing, this is, after all, a zero sum game. The very clear winners at the moment are Wix and Squarespace. I disagree with the authors findings: When taking a look at the quaterly data https://w3techs.com/technologies/history_overview/content_ma... , one can clearly see that WP and Shopify at least plateaued which is alright. But the authors con…

I agree. Given the rounding (43.0 and 42.9 could theoretically just be a 0.01 difference) & measuring bias there might be no declining effect here at all.
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